Quenton Nelson (G-ND) Rd #1 Pick #6

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

You're still looking at this too narrowly, doing simple +/- calculations. My point was that this is multidimensional and you can't evaluate it properly at this point in time.

I think it goes without saying that we can’t evaluate Nelson or the situation yet. But doesn’t that also apply to the guys measuring him for his hall of fame jacket already too? But ultimately what’s the fun in that? I’ve given my opinion on the pick and I’ll happily admit I’m wrong if Nelson ends up in Canton and the Colts win some titles behind the strength of their offensive line. Will others admit they were wrong if Nelson is a top guard but the team is bounced earlier than expect in the playoffs every year because they lack defensive difference makers?

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I think it goes without saying that we can’t evaluate Nelson or the situation yet. But doesn’t that also apply to the guys measuring him for his hall of fame jacket already too? But ultimately what’s the fun in that? I’ve given my opinion on the pick and I’ll happily admit I’m wrong if Nelson ends up in Canton and the Colts win some titles behind the strength of their offensive line. Will others admit they were wrong if Nelson is a top guard but the team is bounced earlier than expect in the playoffs every year because they lack defensive difference makers?

1) Yes. See my last post.

2) See my post about what I hope they can get in the draft today.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

2) See my post about what I hope they can get in the draft today.

I have and largely agree. As I’ve said, the one thing I’m happy about is Ballard moved back before taking Nelson. Looking at the total draft haul the Colts should come away with a lot of help from this draft. I’m just praying he doesn’t go WR and RB in the 2nd.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I have and largely agree. As I’ve said, the one thing I’m happy about is Ballard moved back before taking Nelson. Looking at the total draft haul the Colts should come away with a lot of help from this draft. I’m just praying he doesn’t go WR and RB in the 2nd.

Agreed. I'm most worried that he'll take Sutton at 36/37, though I wouldn't be as down on it at 49. Ballard's been trying to get a big WR from Day 1 in Indy and we saw what Jeffrey did for Philly last year.

[GoBigBlue88]

I think I made this point clearly earlier, but just so I'm not accused of being a hypocrite later tonight: now, I'm in favor of going OL on Day 2.

The investment in Nelson was already made, so makes sense not to leave the job half-done now. Get a Hernandez or Williams type, or someone who is a great scheme-fit, bring them all up together. The value actually intersects in Rds 2-3, and if you're declaring this to be the draft where you reverse fortunes in the trenches, then you may as well follow through with that.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

I think I made this point clearly earlier, but just so I'm not accused of being a hypocrite later tonight: now, I'm in favor of going OL on Day 2.

The investment in Nelson was already made, so makes sense not to leave the job half-done now. Get a Hernandez or Williams type, or someone who is a great scheme-fit, bring them all up together. The value actually intersects in Rds 2-3, and if you're declaring this to be the draft where you reverse fortunes in the trenches, then you may as well follow through with that.

I think we can safely assume Ballard will go BPA. It all depends on where he has Williams, Hernandez, Daniels, Landry, Oliver, Jackson, et al, ranked relative to each other.

Personally, I think he wants an infusion of speed on defense, which he will value more highly than one of the remaining OL prospects at this stage of the draft.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I think it goes without saying that we can’t evaluate Nelson or the situation yet. But doesn’t that also apply to the guys measuring him for his hall of fame jacket already too? But ultimately what’s the fun in that? I’ve given my opinion on the pick and I’ll happily admit I’m wrong if Nelson ends up in Canton and the Colts win some titles behind the strength of their offensive line. Will others admit they were wrong if Nelson is a top guard but the team is bounced earlier than expect in the playoffs every year because they lack defensive difference makers?

It is a little ridiculous. I expect some Chuck Norris like jokes coming soon. Everyone just expects this to solve all the line problems. I can barely post on stampede blue right now, I think they are in the midst of a parade. What I am afraid is like Kelly, the better player goes later in the draft and we used a high pick yet again on a position you can fill competently with a lower pick.

There is a logical argument for him, and with so much money invested in Luck, keeping him healthy is a priority. I just hate that we have spent so many picks on oline the last couple years. Meanwhile our defense is crap and needs some serious investment.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

It is a little ridiculous. I expect some Chuck Norris like jokes coming soon. Everyone just expects this to solve all the line problems. I can barely post on stampede blue right now, I think they are in the midst of a parade. What I am afraid is like Kelly, they better player goes later in the draft and we used a high pick yet again on a position you can fill competently with a lower pick.

There is a logical argument for him, and with so much money invested in Luck, keeping him healthy is a priority. I just hate that we have spent so many picks on oline the last couple years. Meanwhile our defense is crap and needs some serious investment.

THIS! ALL OF THIS!

We could've been looking at two potential defensive stalwarts not even old enough to drink alcohol legally yet, both physical freaks of nature who could dominate for the next 15+ years, and a serious infusion of talent on defense. Instead we have a guard who doesn't really even solve the problem he was brought in to solve and a hope that maybe we'll see some defenders drafted today. Green dot helmet wearers and pass rushers aren't typically found on Day 3. Starting guards are.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I think it goes without saying that we can’t evaluate Nelson or the situation yet. But doesn’t that also apply to the guys measuring him for his hall of fame jacket already too? But ultimately what’s the fun in that? I’ve given my opinion on the pick and I’ll happily admit I’m wrong if Nelson ends up in Canton and the Colts win some titles behind the strength of their offensive line. Will others admit they were wrong if Nelson is a top guard but the team is bounced earlier than expect in the playoffs every year because they lack defensive difference makers?

You are confusing us with Dam. We admit it when we are proven wrong.