Interesting SI Article

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by DragonTails

They've been committed to fixing the oline the last 5 years. The problem is the scouts, coaches, and GM don't have a clue what a good O linemen is. How many turds did they draft the last 5 years.

They should be drafting 0 skill positions this off season. We need trenches and LBs - that's what wins championships.

If they trade down they can go fk themselves. We needs studs not projects or reaches.

If pags and all the other coaches are still here in 10 days none of this will matter anyway.

I mostly agree. However, if you can trade down and get two first round studs, then why not?

[sherck]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I mostly agree. However, if you can trade down and get two first round studs, then why not?

The issue being current year picks or future year picks.

If you are okay with future year picks, then our #3 pick (possible #2 pick) is probably worth two 1st round picks for anyone moving up more than about 4 spots. To go from, say, #9 to #3 would take both this year's first round pick (#9 overall), next year's first round pick and perhaps some lower round picks this year. Every team in the NFL could do that as no one has yet traded away their 2019 first round pick.

However, if you wanted multiple first round picks in 2017, then the only team that can do that is BUF as they have their own pick (currently #17) and KCs pick (unknown due to playoffs). To move that far up, they would have to trade three first round picks (both of this year's plus their 2018 first round pick) plus probably other picks as well.

We need help now. I don't love the idea of trading down to get future picks, honestly.

Walk Worthy,

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by sherck

The issue being current year picks or future year picks.

If you are okay with future year picks, then our #3 pick (possible #2 pick) is probably worth two 1st round picks for anyone moving up more than about 4 spots. To go from, say, #9 to #3 would take both this year's first round pick (#9 overall), next year's first round pick and perhaps some lower round picks this year. Every team in the NFL could do that as no one has yet traded away their 2019 first round pick.

However, if you wanted multiple first round picks in 2017, then the only team that can do that is BUF as they have their own pick (currently #17) and KCs pick (unknown due to playoffs). To move that far up, they would have to trade three first round picks (both of this year's plus their 2018 first round pick) plus probably other picks as well.

We need help now. I don't love the idea of trading down to get future picks, honestly.

Walk Worthy,

Yeah, I realized after I posted it that we would not likely get two firsts, but possibly a first and a second in this year's draft.

[GoBigBlue88]

I don't watch enough CFB to have my own opinions, but it does strike me that I haven't really ever seen Chubb discussed/written about like I saw Garrett or Clowney or Von Miller etc. Maybe I just haven't seen the right discussions, but I do wonder how much Chubb is really a top 3 player on talent vs a top 3 player because edge-rushers are valued.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

I don't watch enough CFB to have my own opinions, but it does strike me that I haven't really ever seen Chubb discussed/written about like I saw Garrett or Clowney or Von Miller etc. Maybe I just haven't seen the right discussions, but I do wonder how much Chubb is really a top 3 player on talent vs a top 3 player because edge-rushers are valued.

the little i have watched of him didnt really stand out. he doesn't seem to have a great get off. i just don't see the athleticism. but i haven't watched much and i am no expert.

i mainly want the position right now. i just don't want to come away without an elite type pass rusher when we suffered through the nonsense of this season.

[GoBigBlue88]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

the little i have watched of him didnt really stand out. he doesn't seem to have a great get off. i just don't see the athleticism. but i haven't watched much and i am no expert.

i mainly want the position right now. i just don't want to come away without an elite type pass rusher when we suffered through the nonsense of this season.

Or if there isn't an elite one available, don't draft him top 3. If the scouting staff doesn't determine there is a Pro Bowl potential edge rusher at 3, I'd rather they trade down and take that EDGE later, maybe even in round 2.

Not saying that's the case for Chubb. Just saying, if the scouting staff determines he's more Charles Harris than Myles Garrett.

[FatDT]

I've only watched one game and some highlights of Chubb. Obviously not an expert or even that into CFB. The one game was against FSU and he was a real problem to deal with the entire game. He abused the QB. Two sacks and I don't know how many QB hits.

I've read he's a more athletic Derek Barnett, who I was very high on last year. I don't really see that so much. I agree he's the better athlete but to me Barnett was stronger, a lineman that could transition to OLB but was probably a better fit in an even front rushing with his hand down. Chubb seems like the better transition prospect.

I like that he is athletic enough to not worry about, that he tries hard, that he produced consistently, and that he wants to be great. He's not a Garrett or Clown eye, those guys don't come along often. But I like him well enough that I'll trust it's a good pick if Ballard likes him.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

Or if there isn't an elite one available, don't draft him top 3. If the scouting staff doesn't determine there is a Pro Bowl potential edge rusher at 3, I'd rather they trade down and take that EDGE later, maybe even in round 2.

Not saying that's the case for Chubb. Just saying, if the scouting staff determines he's more Charles Harris than Myles Garrett.

What if he’s more James Harrison/Chandler Jones than Clowney/Bosa? Problem is also that this isn’t taking place in a vacuum. The top of this draft is relatively weak and they may be better off staying put and taking a good (but not franchise-changing) player.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

I don't watch enough CFB to have my own opinions, but it does strike me that I haven't really ever seen Chubb discussed/written about like I saw Garrett or Clowney or Von Miller etc. Maybe I just haven't seen the right discussions, but I do wonder how much Chubb is really a top 3 player on talent vs a top 3 player because edge-rushers are valued.

Last year, Garrett was talked about a lot because there were really no bonafide QBs projected in the first 10 draft choices. This year, there's likely to be 3, maybe even 4 in the top 10 choices. They get the lion's share of the ink.

[YDFL Commish]

Assuming that the new coaching staff sticks with the 3-4, how does Chubb fit in as a 3-4 OLB?