Draft position update.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

So pissed at Giants yesterday. They dialed up the worst 4 red zone plays I've seen in some time. Coulda won and put the Colts in contention for #2...

That, and the special teams for the Giants was horrendous.

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by sherck

I don't know.

The team with the most ammo to move up is Cleveland because they have a HUGE bounty of picks in the 2018 draft.

Them moving to #2 is too expensive and not needed assuming that the #2 pick is a QB when they probably just drafted a QB #1 overall.

For example,I just saw one mock that had the Browns drafting QB Josh Rosen, UCLA with the #1 overall pick and then trading for the #3 pick with the Colts in order to draft RB Saquon Barkley, Penn State.

For our #3 pick, they gave up the #6 pick, the Texans 2nd round pick and their own 4th round pick.

Perhaps the #2 pick would be more compensation, but the Browns have no need to move to #2 and anyone else moving to #2 would probably have to use future year picks to do so.

We need help now. An extra 2nd round and 4th round in 2017 AND still the ability to pick one of:

OLB Bradley Chubb, N.C. State
OT Connor Williams, Texas
OG Quenton Netson, Notre Dame
DB Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama

Would be pretty nice.


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FYI, from that mock draft with the trade, our first three round draft "haul" was:

#06 overall (1st round) = OLB Bradley Chubb, N.C. State
#35 overall (2nd round) = OT Martinas Rankin, Mississippi State
#38 overall (2nd round) = OG Will Hernandez, UTEP
#67 overall (3rd round) = ILB Cameron Smith, USC



2015 / 13 games / 66 tackles / 10.5 TFL / 05.0 sacks / 2 FF / 1 PD / 1 INT
2016 / 13 games / 56 tackles / 21.0 TFL / 10.0 sacks / 3 FF / 1 PD / 0 INT
2017 / 12 games / 72 tackles / 23.0 TFL / 10.0 sacks / 1 FF / 2 PD / 1 INT

Watching just a bit of film on him, he looks smooth, fast and powerful. Of course, all NFL players are smooth, fast and powerful (exept Rawb Morris) but he looks like he could come in and contribute immediately alongside Sheard, Simon, Mingo and Basham.

Double O-Linemen is good. ILB is good. This would be a nice start to the 2018 draft.

Walk Worthy,

Chubb will be off the board before pick #6, he’s probably the best player in this draft!!

[sherck]

Originally Posted by njcoltfan

Chubb will be off the board before pick #6, he’s probably the best player in this draft!!

And no one had Hooker falling to us in 2017 either.

I think that it is debatable about where Chubb will be drafted.

Bleacher Report has him as #4 with Barkley, Darnold and Fitzpatrick ahead of him.
Sports Illustrated has him as #2 outpaced only by Barkley
Yahoo Sports has him as #3 behind Barkley and Fitzpatrick
Walter Football has him as #3 behind Barkley and Fitzpatrick
CBS Sports does have him as the top prospect.
Lol, UPI has him all the way down at #19.

Regardless of individual rankings, I think that is is pretty likely that QB Rosen, QB Darnold and RB Barkley will all be picked in the first 3 or 4 picks of the draft. Franchise QBs are always taken early and Barkley, as of now, is pretty consistently ranked as a top 3 prospect.

That means that Cubb is in that next batch of "top 5" guys along with Fitzpatrick, OT Williams or perhaps OG Nelson along with a few others whom are occasionally ranked that high.

I think that it is highly possible that Chubb would be available with the 6th pick of the draft.

Walk Worthy,

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by sherck

And no one had Hooker falling to us in 2017 either.

I think that it is debatable about where Chubb will be drafted.

Bleacher Report has him as #4 with Barkley, Darnold and Fitzpatrick ahead of him.
Sports Illustrated has him as #2 outpaced only by Barkley
Yahoo Sports has him as #3 behind Barkley and Fitzpatrick
Walter Football has him as #3 behind Barkley and Fitzpatrick
CBS Sports does have him as the top prospect.
Lol, UPI has him all the way down at #19.

Regardless of individual rankings, I think that is is pretty likely that QB Rosen, QB Darnold and RB Barkley will all be picked in the first 3 or 4 picks of the draft. Franchise QBs are always taken early and Barkley, as of now, is pretty consistently ranked as a top 3 prospect.

That means that Cubb is in that next batch of "top 5" guys along with Fitzpatrick, OT Williams or perhaps OG Nelson along with a few others whom are occasionally ranked that high.

I think that it is highly possible that Chubb would be available with the 6th pick of the draft.

Walk Worthy,

I would be happy with that trade down and getting one of Chubb or Williams. The problem is that I don't see Cleveland moving up to #2 after already having #1. Regardless, getting the 2nd pick is the priority because it gives the Colts the option to stay put and get the guy they want, or trade back if there's enough value offered.

[Coltsalr]

I'd look for Denver as a potential trade partner for a blue chip QB. Elway is extremely impatient with the QB situation and if he believes in Darnold/Rosen, I could definitely see him moving the farm for him. Elway is a dice-roller (as evidenced by his free agent splurge signings).

They'll likely have a top 10 pick. They're currently slated to have the #9 pick. Still, even the #9 overall picks for the first three rounds doesn't add up to value. So we'd likely be taking future #1's. Or, perhaps more intriguingly, given their defensive strength, what if they would give up one of their defensive players?

I haven't thought this through (I'm typing this out while I should be paying attention to a work conference call) I'll throw it out there: Bradley Roby, #1 2017 and #2018. Yay or nay?

[IndyEdge32]

I love the chatter, but we all know that nothing will happen and Ballard will go with a guard. Indy will find a way to derp this.

[FatDT]

Originally Posted by IndyEdge32

I love the chatter, but we all know that nothing will happen and Ballard will go with a guard. Indy will find a way to derp this.

Why would we "know" this? I am happy with Ballard's first draft and have no reason to think he will "derp" anything.

[IndyEdge32]

Originally Posted by FatDT

Why would we "know" this? I am happy with Ballard's first draft and have no reason to think he will "derp" anything.

Were you happy with Grigson's first draft?

I'm not saying Ballard is Grigson, but I'm also not going to expect him to start wheeling and dealing to reset the team. Until New England called, he was going to ride out the season with Tolzien.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by IndyEdge32

I love the chatter, but we all know that nothing will happen and Ballard will go with a guard. Indy will find a way to derp this.

i can't imagine that ballard would even consider taking a guard in the top 5.

now in the 2nd round? sure

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

i can't imagine that ballard would even consider taking a guard in the top 5.

now in the 2nd round? sure

I’ve seen a few Mocks that indicate Quenten Nelson might be BPA.