Ballard and Steichen are safe

[Hoopsdoc]

Cut it out, you two.

We can’t have people making solid, logical arguments and then have other people changing their minds because of it.

Thats kooky talk.

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I said right now, nothing to do with the past. Right now, absolutely give me the position of either the Jets or the Browns. Jets are going to get a chance to draft a potential super star at QB and they have a stockpile of high picks to help him with.

The Browns have the best defensive end in the game, possibly history, and could look to complement him with another demon edge rusher in Bane to create a duo that would terrorize QB's or they could go get a stud WR like Lemon, or even get Love at RB. All pieces that could be massive pieces for their future.

We, we on the other hand will be watching day 1, and we're most likely not going to be able to get "the best defensive player in the draft (cocky chortle, cocky chortle, flat bill flip)". No, instead, in the mid 2nd round, we'll probably go kicker since our kicking group is questionable going into next year- great chance to shore that up with a 2nd round pick.

The Jets are going to spend the next 6 days holding their breath, fingers crossed. If Dante Moore doesn’t declare for the draft, the Raiders take Mendoza 1st, and the Jets are left dumpster diving behind Safeway, looking for a Quarterback among the wilted lettuce and moldy bread.

Ordinarily, Moore would come out, but Oregon is offering him more than $10 Million to stay, which gives him a nice payday and the chance to avoid going to the Jets, which define the word shitshow.

As far as the Colts are concerned, not having a 1st, what they have is one of the best cover Corners in the game, an upper echelon Quarterback, and are fishing in a draft deep in fast, athletic linebackers.

If Ballard reaches deep into the Irsay piggy bank and pulls out enough coin to sign (insert name of a DE you like), the team should be well positioned to excel.

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

"potential"

Mendoza to me looks every bit the part of the modern NFL QB. Big, smart, able to use his legs, workhorse, tough, accurate, and the fucker just throws the ball where it needs to be in big moments- which is a HUGE part of the NFL game. His clutch plays against not just Penn State, but Oregon and Iowa- that is a gamer.

Moore, I am not as high on him as most but I definitely see the NFL caliber throws from him.

Yeah, but he’ll be doing it in Vegas.

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

And all of that has what connection go whether or not, on 1/7/26, I would prefer to be in the Browns or Jets position than I would the Indianapolis Colts?

Past success, past mediocrity, no bearing whatsoever on where we stand in terms of prospects for the future at this moment in time. The Browns may get John Harbaugh. Would I rather be the Browns, with John Harbaugh and Myles Garret vs Shane Steichen and Latu Latu, oh hell yes I would. Again, the question is about TODAY, not the 1947 Kentucky Shiners that morphed into the Oakland Truckers in 1965, and then were bought by the Memphis Steelers in 1971 where Crankston Moore fumbled at the goal line just like Jonathan Taylor but they went on to win the SB in 1987 so the Colts will win the SB too.

I can’t even begin to believe that we’ve gone down this particular road.

I grew up 150 miles from the big apple. I have friends who are die hard Jet fans, and, at the end of evey year, they’re left sitting on their couch, contemplating slitting their wrists.

In case you didn’t notice, the Jets staged a fire sale two months ago, purging the roster of talent. The cupboard is bare at quarterback, defensive end, cornerback, almost every other meaningful position. They can’t rush the passer, and they can’t protect their own guy.

Sweet.

As far as the Brownies are concerned, they have the chance to land the quarterback of their choice. But by the time he’s ready to contribute, Garrett will be deep into the wrong side of 30. There’s a good reason why they’re picking 1. The Watson trade put them in a hole they’re just beginning to dig out of. Hitching your star to them is like sailing into the unknown with the captain of the Titanic at the helm.

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Actually, the last time that the Jets made it to the Super Bowl was 1968 (the 1968 season.)

Richard Nixon had just been elected as the President of the country, Denny McLain won 31 games for the Detroit Tigers, and the Beatles had just released an awesome double album which became known as ""The White Album" ...... that great band has since parted ways.

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I still wake up in the middle of the night screaming why Earl Morrall, why. I see it clear as day, Jimmy Orr, uncovered, standing all alone at the Jets 5 yard line, no defender within 20 yards, waving his arms, frantically trying to get your attention..and you, you throw into double coverage and see the ball picked off for what seems to be the umpteeth time in a game you should have won by 20.

You drove a dagger into my dreams.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Kray007

I can’t even begin to believe that we’ve gone down this particular road.

I grew up 150 miles from the big apple. I have friends who are die hard Jet fans, and, at the end of every year, they’re left sitting on their couch, contemplating slitting their wrists.

In case you didn’t notice, the Jets staged a fire sale two months ago, purging the roster of talent. The cupboard is bare at quarterback, defensive end, cornerback, almost every other meaningful position. They can’t rush the passer, and they can’t protect their own guy.

Sweet.

As far as the Brownies are concerned, they have the chance to land the quarterback of their choice. But by the time he’s ready to contribute, Garrett will be deep into the wrong side of 30. There’s a good reason why they’re picking 1. The Watson trade put them in a hole they’re just beginning to dig out of. Hitching your star of them is like sailing into the unknown with the captain of the Titanic at the helm.

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Yes, but Chopped Wood made that post 2 days ago ...... that's in the past ...... it's no longer Tuesday anymore, it's Thursday. He wants to talk about NOW, THE PRESNT, not the past. How many times does he have to keep repeating himself ???

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[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by Kray007

I still wake up in the middle of the night screaming why Earl Morrall, why. I see it clear as day, Jimmy Orr, uncovered, standing all alone at the Jets 5 yard line, no defender within 20 yards, waving his arms, frantically trying to get your attention..and you, you throw into double coverage and see the ball picked off for what seems to be the umpteeth time in a game you should have won by 20.

You drove a dagger into my dreams.

I threw up after that shithole of a game. First devastation as a sports fan, Colts had the so much better team

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Kray007

I can’t even begin to believe that we’ve gone down this particular road.

I grew up 150 miles from the big apple. I have friends who are die hard Jet fans, and, at the end of evey year, they’re left sitting on their couch, contemplating slitting their wrists.

In case you didn’t notice, the Jets staged a fire sale two months ago, purging the roster of talent. The cupboard is bare at quarterback, defensive end, cornerback, almost every other meaningful position. They can’t rush the passer, and they can’t protect their own guy.

Sweet.

As far as the Brownies are concerned, they have the chance to land the quarterback of their choice. But by the time he’s ready to contribute, Garrett will be deep into the wrong side of 30. There’s a good reason why they’re picking 1. The Watson trade put them in a hole they’re just beginning to dig out of. Hitching your star to them is like sailing into the unknown with the captain of the Titanic at the helm.

Great, both franchises suck, both have been atrocious at making good decisions for decades. Yep, not disputing it.

Right now, both of them are in a position to potentially land franchise changing players and COULD in a couple years be contesting for a playoff run. Note the word COULD.

I know what's in the back of your head- the 7-1 start, the 8-2 after 10, then the injury and then the downfall. We're not that far away, we can be a winner, we can get Dimes back and we can make a big run. Sure, sure, ok!

On the season, we had 2 significant wins, Denver and SD. Other than that, we beat dogshit, and we lost to EVERY other "good" team we played. Oh don't start, don't start- we were "close" in several of those games- don't start, doesn't matter- at the end of the season, we LOST those games.

In every fucking article / engagement since the season ended, the team reps have made reference to a couple of very impactful moments. One, the most frequently mentioned, the inability to stop Seattle from going down the field in SECONDS to win the game. The other, the inability to get a 1st down against KC to ice the game. Yep, two critical failures that definitely could be attributed to the failure to make the playoffs. Both of those, are representative of a coach that has REPEATEDLY demonstrated to us that he struggles enormously against good football teams. But yeah, sure, next year, sure that will all change! Sure, because yeah man, it just will!

Next year, we will have a QB dragging his leg around, our all-world DT will be using toothpicks to keep his head from falling down, and our all world RB who was healthy ALL damn year, will remain that way even though he is now in the yellow zone of 27 years of age, and his fall off at the end of the year is not in any way an indicator that his play is starting to dip. Oh, and our ALL world OG, who again was essentially healthy all year, who will be 30 years old, will stay that way again and his play will not in any way dip from what it also did late in the year.

Yep, all negative indicators, they are meaningless, because we are the Colts by God and we have bad ass Ballard and Super Star Shane guiding us, and their past results do not indicate future performance!

The greatest likelihood is next year is a 6-7 win team. We again are stuck in shitty draft order. All the brass are sent packing. We probably SUCK terribly in 27 as we shed the old guys and go full youth as we chase a real QB.

So, backing up, yes, give me either the Browns or Jets positions---- right now, with a chance to get a couple young stars in the fold and at least attempting to re-build right now, vs what I expect to be a Blah year next year, a terrible year thereafter, and probably 2 more really shitty years as we fully rebuild. So yep, I would rather be them right now than where we are at this very moment. At least they have HOPES of getting things going north vs what I believe is almost certainly an escalator down for the next 3-5 years.

I don't get it, there are some of you who have this weird aversion to accept that what we have seen from the GM for 9 years and the HC for 2, is not at all who they really are. I believe Denny Green man.

[Kray007]

Okay, this post isn’t intended to defend Steichen or Ballard or anyone or anything about the organization.

It’s a simple question sparked by the inability of the team to win against Seattle. The Seahawks get the ball with 42 seconds left and 31 seconds later, kick a winning FG.

For most the hundred year history of the league, that would have been inexplicable, considered an epic fail, a two or three time in a season occurrence.

But, has the ground shifted under our feet? Are we living in a new age, crafted by the dynamic kickoff and the league’s incessant drive to extract every last ounce of excitement from the game? How does that combine with the new rules for kicking balls that seem to be driving an explosion of what seems possible on FG attempts?

A few years ago, you would have seen teams blast a kickoff into the end zone. The result, 1st and 10 at the 20. 60 yard field goals were unheard of, anything from 50 out was a prayer. So, you had to move 50 yards in your 40 seconds.

Nowadays, teams are getting starting field position at the 35 or 40. In order to put yourself in position for a 60 plus yard FG, you might have to only move the ball 10 or 15 yards.

In those circumstances, 42 seconds is an eternity.

We saw this play out as early as week 2, when the Giants played Dallas. The Giants take the lead with 19 seconds left, Dallas moves 18 yards and Aubrey kicks a 64 yarder to send it into OT.

I think that it’s changing the way coaches use timeouts at the end of halves. We’ve gone from trying to bleed the clock on D to calling timeouts, trying to conserve every last second. Teams are getting a couple of extra plays, an extra half minute of time to score all because coaches are trying to jockey themselves into a position where they get the ball back with 30 or 40 seconds left.

I think that the result is that the importance of special teams play has just escalated. You need a kick return game that gets you to the 40. You need to stop runners from crossing the 25. You need a kicker who’s money from 60.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Kray007

If Ballard reaches deep into the Irsay piggy bank and pulls out enough coin to sign (insert name of a DE you like), the team should be well positioned to excel.

Where do you think the cap space to sign a top DE is going to come from? We currently have $34M in cap space, so will probably need to restructure/cut some guys just to bring back Jones, Pierce, Cross, and anyone else we want to keep.