Colts name Daniel Jones the QB1

[apballin]

Originally Posted by rm1369

DJ has proven over 6 years that he is a bad QB. Does he give them a chance at more wins? Maybe? A great year from DJ leads this team to a max 9 wins and maybe a first round playoff exit. That’s peak. Great. And you are back in no man’s land next year. I sure as fuck hope they aren’t stupid enough to give DJ a long term contract. That’s the issue with him - no one believes he’s the long term answer at QB and even in one season his max is first round exit. The reality is he probably gets 6-8 wins. So it’s a continuation of the stupid Ballard shit that has driven this team into a decades long mediocrity.

I have no idea why you believe Steichen has balls and is confident in Jones. What is it about Jones that makes him so confident? His sterling record as a starter? I see a fucking weasel who is anything but confident in what he’s doing. He had fucking confidence in Flacco last year too. How’d that work out? The same way Jones is likely to work out.

I have no idea if AR will amount to anything. He’s most likely a shit QB. But he offers excitement and, most importantly, the path off the carousel of mediocrity Ballard loves. By your admission his bad is worse than DJ, so better pick and possibly a chance at a QB. Instead we want an extra 2-3 wins from DJ and a continuation of the carousel.

DJ is a lose / lose proposition. AR is a win / win proposition. That’s why this is a stupid fucking decision and everyone is pissed. I can’t wait until “big dick Ballard” and “balls of steel Steichen” are fucking a different fan base.

Steichen very easily could’ve just bowed down and gave the fans what they wanted (AR). Jones is 28 Flacco was 40 last year and he’s a statue back there.

Every coach wants a guy that can run the offense efficiently, walk up read the defense and make the throw when it’s there. AR just relies too much on athleticism and buying time yet missing on the simple play when a guy is schemed open.

This tells me they want to win now, unfortunately for AR the best players on this team are getting up there in age

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

Steichen very easily could’ve just bowed down and gave the fans what they wanted (AR). Jones is 28 Flacco was 40 last year and he’s a statue back there.

Every coach wants a guy that can run the offense efficiently, walk up read the defense and make the throw when it’s there. AR just relies too much on athleticism and buying time yet missing on the simple play when a guy is schemed open.

This tells me they want to win now, unfortunately for AR the best players on this team are getting up there in age

Joe Flacco was a significantly better QB than Jones has ever shown. He was 4-1 as a starter the year before the Colts. Richardson was 6-5 last year. Jones was 2-8 last year and 1-5 the year before.

I’m glad after 9 years a Ballard led team is in win now mode. They’ve fucked this up to no end. Draft the rawest QB prospect ever, start him immediately, then start benching him for scrubs to “win” now in years 2 and 3. It’s perfect Ballard logic.

I’m not sure why Steichen making a stupid decision seems to give you confidence in that decision. This team has made tons of stupid decisions. How many worked out?

[apballin]

Originally Posted by rm1369

Joe Flacco was a significantly better QB than Jones has ever shown. He was 4-1 as a starter the year before the Colts. Richardson was 6-5 last year. Jones was 2-8 last year and 1-5 the year before.

I’m glad after 9 years a Ballard led team is in win now mode. They’ve fucked this up to no end. Draft the rawest QB prospect ever, start him immediately, then start benching him for scrubs to “win” now in years 2 and 3. It’s perfect Ballard logic.

I’m not sure why Steichen making a stupid decision seems to give you confidence in that decision. This team has made tons of stupid decisions. How many worked out?

He wasn’t benched he got injured, I don’t consider his in season suspension a legitimate benching. I agree they botched the entire situation with AR, but they were trying to appease fans because at that point colts fans didn’t care they wanted a qb drafted at 4.

The logic is he’s regressed so you can’t keep forcing him out there to fail when you know he’s not ready. He hasn’t been the same since the shoulder injury in my opinion.

Ballard’s job is clearly on the line so maybe he’s taking an all in approach. I don’t know, I honestly don’t care, I’m sick of being so close to winning a lackluster Division when we have the talent.

Jonathan Taylor is a special back I don’t wanna sit here and watch him waste his career behind one of the best Olineman I’ve ever watched. Not to mention Jim passing away… fuck it the time is now!!!

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

He wasn’t benched he got injured, I don’t consider his in season suspension a legitimate benching. I agree they botched the entire situation with AR, but they were trying to appease fans because at that point colts fans didn’t care they wanted a qb drafted at 4.

The logic is he’s regressed so you can’t keep forcing him out there to fail when you know he’s not ready. He hasn’t been the same since the shoulder injury in my opinion.

Ballard’s job is clearly on the line so maybe he’s taking an all in approach. I don’t know, I honestly don’t care, I’m sick of being so close to winning a lackluster Division when we have the talent.

Jonathan Taylor is a special back I don’t wanna sit here and watch him waste his career behind one of the best Olineman I’ve ever watched. Not to mention Jim passing away… fuck it the time is now!!!

He was benched for Flacco. I’m not sure how you can not count that. It was even the same “reason” as given now - supposedly Flacco gave them a better chance to win. AR only started again because Flacco sucked. The people defending the move said largely the same stuff you are saying now - he gives them a better chance to win and we need to make the playoffs.

Yes, I think Ballard’s job is on the line. That’s the only reason he signed any free agents and attempted to fill most holes. Didn’t do it in his other seasons in charge. Steichen’s is on the line as well. I’m sure that contributes to their decision to see Jones as the answer. It’s still a stupid decision and will help get them fired. That’s the only saving grace for me - finally moving on from them. Especially Ballard. Their best chance at retaining their job was development by AR. Going 8-9 with Jones will just show how inept they both are.

The team is wasting the careers of several really good players, but I’m not particularly a JT fan. Regardless, helping extend the mediocrity for the possibility of a couple extra wins doesn’t make sense to me. And hell, I’m not even sure Jones will win more than AR. For as bad as AR has been, he has a winning record as a starter. And that’s with the BS defense and TE room Ballard gave him.

[nate505]

Originally Posted by apballin

Jonathan Taylor is a special back I don’t wanna sit here and watch him waste his career behind one of the best Olineman I’ve ever watched. Not to mention Jim passing away… fuck it the time is now!!!

I mean, if the time is now, why not get a QB that's much better than Daniel Jones. Like go after Geno Smith or Justin Fields or someone. Hell, I'd rather them have got Drew Lock. Or why not at least go after a QB in the 2nd round of the draft or so.

Maybe Jones will prove me wrong. God I'm hoping he does, I want something to root for this year. But the Colts don't feel special enough to do a lot with just mediocre QB play, and it's hard to envision Jones being better than that. Hell, he got benched for Tommy DeVito in his career.

Richardson may give you horrible QB play. In fact, the odds are he probably will. But I'd rather roll the dice on the off chance you hit snakeyes and he goes out there and throws 60 yard bombs to players or runs for 200 yards a game.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by nate505

I mean, if the time is now, why not get a QB that's much better than Daniel Jones. Like go after Geno Smith or Justin Fields or someone. Hell, I'd rather them have got Drew Lock. Or why not at least go after a QB in the 2nd round of the draft or so.

Maybe Jones will prove me wrong. God I'm hoping he does, I want something to root for this year. But the Colts don't feel special enough to do a lot with just mediocre QB play, and it's hard to envision Jones being better than that. Hell, he got benched for Tommy DeVito in his career.

Richardson may give you horrible QB play. In fact, the odds are he probably will. But I'd rather roll the dice on the off chance you hit snakeyes and he goes out there and throws 60 yard bombs to players or runs for 200 yards a game.

The bad part about Richardson is that the style he is best suited to play is the style his brittle body will not allow him to play.

Sure, he makes amazing plays now and then but he will INEVITABLY end up getting hurt. It’s impossible to build any sort of continuity with him at quarterback.

It’s a never ending cycle of he shows potential, makes a breathtaking play, sucks ass, and then gets hurt.

[Mr. Session]

First time I've seen Nelson whine. It reminds me of Kelly. NBC

Nelson admitted to reporters after the announcement that it has been frustrating that the Colts have had to keep changing quarterbacks throughout his career.

“I would say so. I think I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t [frustrating],” Nelson said, via James Boyd of TheAthletic.com. “You look around the league and see just the consistency of having a Patrick Mahomes or a quarterback behind you that’s been the franchise player for years and years and years, and getting to build that chemistry with that quarterback year after year is something that there is an advantage to when it comes to O-line play.

“So, to answer your question, yeah.”

No indication here that he thinks it's the wrong decision, but for a guy that is usually all business and doesn't share much, I find his response curious. Perhaps even resentful?

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Mr. Session

First time I've seen Nelson whine. It reminds me of Kelly. NBC



No indication here that he thinks it's the wrong decision, but for a guy that is usually all business and doesn't share much, I find his response curious. Perhaps even resentful?

There is no way you can be a member of this organization, a player in particular, one that has numerous years under your belt and is regarded as one of the cornerstones of the franchise, and not look at this train wreck and just fucking HATE the guys in the corner offices. These two fuckheads have completely trashed this fucking org. They seem to have zero strategic thinking capabilities and just go with a "fuck it, let's just see what this looks like tomorrow" approach. When it doesn't work, one just blabbers and speaks condescendingly toward anyone and everyone while the other one just spews layers and layers of non-specific buzz word bullshit over and over!

I have had my share of bitterness and resentment toward numerous people with this organization stretched across the long ass time I have been a fan. I have NEVER had this much contempt for two people as I have for Ballard and Steichen. It makes me sick to say that they are the shot callers for this once proud team, they are a disgrace! The day they are both gone, which I predict will be in November, will be a fucking great day for the shoe!

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Mr. Session

First time I've seen Nelson whine. It reminds me of Kelly. NBC



No indication here that he thinks it's the wrong decision, but for a guy that is usually all business and doesn't share much, I find his response curious. Perhaps even resentful?

I have a hard time considering that whining. He was asked a direct question, and he answered it honestly.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

The bad part about Richardson is that the style he is best suited to play is the style his brittle body will not allow him to play.

Sure, he makes amazing plays now and then but he will INEVITABLY end up getting hurt. It’s impossible to build any sort of continuity with him at quarterback.

It’s a never ending cycle of he shows potential, makes a breathtaking play, sucks ass, and then gets hurt.

No other QB in football plays like Steichen had AR playing those first years. A combination of rb/qb with plays called where AR actually is the primary running back where you guarantee he gets hit. Running backs do not have the mindset of protecting themselves. It must be tough to switch that on and off, impossible for an inexperienced dude. The more you get hit, the greater the chance you get hurt.

And since when has this Jones guy been this consistent precise QB? If he was he would still be in NY.