Has Kenny Moore Played His Last Game as a Colt?

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by apballin

Money always trumps everything with players, they’re all watching this and how it’s handled will affect future contract issues

I don’t care how good a team is, this shits always a distraction

I can’t think of 1 situation where a holdout ended good other then Bob Sanders, but that was his rookie deal

Ah no Scott

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by apballin

Money always trumps everything with players, they’re all watching this and how it’s handled will affect future contract issues

I don’t care how good a team is, this shits always a distraction

I can’t think of 1 situation where a holdout ended good other then Bob Sanders, but that was his rookie deal

I didn't know or forgot Bob Sanders held out. The only one I could think of was Edgerrin James' rookie holdout. Key difference in those situations was they happened before signing a contract.

Distraction or not, I just don't want this dragging into training camp and preseason... Any time that the entire team should be spending learning how to play with one another and gelling.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

I didn't know or forgot Bob Sanders held out. The only one I could think of was Edgerrin James' rookie holdout. Key difference in those situations was they happened before signing a contract.

Distraction or not, I just don't want this dragging into training camp and preseason... Any time that the entire team should be spending learning how to play with one another and gelling.

Bob was the last draft pick signed that season, didn’t matter much because he was hurt and he was a special dude that didn’t need practice, training camp , or much of anything but again that was when he was drafted

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

I would do it differently. Call me old fashion, but my word means more to me than money. I get the, make all you can, but integrity is a real thing.

Originally Posted by apballin

I can’t think of 1 situation where a holdout ended good other then Bob Sanders, but that was his rookie deal

I think a lot of people forget some of the Colts players who have held out over the years.

I wouldn't say that players that hold out lack integrity - there are a lot of players that have held out.

If that is the determining factor, then:

Reggie Wayne lacks integrity.

Robert Mathis lacks integrity.

The reason why I bring up their names is because they held out at the same exact time.

They both had 2 years left on their (non-rookie) contract. Player salaries had gone up since they signed their deals so they were underpaid vs their peers. They both wanted to renegotiate their contract. Hmmm, that sounds familiar to the details in this thread.

Polian told them to go pound sand. OK, he said it a little more delicately than that but not much, because it was Polian after all. Polian hid behind the CBA negotiations a bit - he said he didn't want to sign any long term deals before knowing the details of the new CBA.

So Wayne and Mathis sat out of voluntary OTA's - this wasn't unusual for Wayne because he typically skipped OTA's anyway. Reggie preferred to work out on his own.

Next Wayne and Mathis sat out of mandatory minicamp.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ing-new-deals/


In the end, they both reported to training camp that year.

I don't think there was any hard feelings between the player and team - both Reggie and Robert signed a new deal with the Colts once their contract was finally finished.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

I think a lot of people forget some of the Colts players who have held out over the years.

I wouldn't say that players that hold out lack integrity - there are a lot of players that have held out.

If that is the determining factor, then:

Reggie Wayne lacks integrity.

Robert Mathis lacks integrity.

The reason why I bring up their names is because they held out at the same exact time.

They both had 2 years left on their (non-rookie) contract. Player salaries had gone up since they signed their deals so they were underpaid vs their peers. They both wanted to renegotiate their contract. Hmmm, that sounds familiar to the details in this thread.

Polian told them to go pound sand. OK, he said it a little more delicately than that but not much, because it was Polian after all. Polian hid behind the CBA negotiations a bit - he said he didn't want to sign any long term deals before knowing the details of the new CBA.

So Wayne and Mathis sat out of voluntary OTA's - this wasn't unusual for Wayne because he typically skipped OTA's anyway. Reggie preferred to work out on his own.

Next Wayne and Mathis sat out of mandatory minicamp.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ing-new-deals/


In the end, they both reported to training camp that year.

I don't think there was any hard feelings between the player and team - both Reggie and Robert signed a new deal with the Colts once their contract was finally finished.

o


And for us old-time Colts fans, our beloved Lydell Mitchell held out in 1978, which wound up forcing a trade to the Chargers.



Mitchell Extends Holdout With Colts at $500 a Day

(By Dave Brady)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-bd58cc8f2d7a/



We were able to sustain Mitchell's loss because we acquired Joe Washington in that trade with the Chargers, but the loss of Bert Jones when he separated his shoulder in the final pre-season game of that 1978 season spelled doom for the team.

o

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

I think a lot of people forget some of the Colts players who have held out over the years.

I wouldn't say that players that hold out lack integrity - there are a lot of players that have held out.

If that is the determining factor, then:

Reggie Wayne lacks integrity.

Robert Mathis lacks integrity.

The reason why I bring up their names is because they held out at the same exact time.

They both had 2 years left on their (non-rookie) contract. Player salaries had gone up since they signed their deals so they were underpaid vs their peers. They both wanted to renegotiate their contract. Hmmm, that sounds familiar to the details in this thread.

Polian told them to go pound sand. OK, he said it a little more delicately than that but not much, because it was Polian after all. Polian hid behind the CBA negotiations a bit - he said he didn't want to sign any long term deals before knowing the details of the new CBA.

So Wayne and Mathis sat out of voluntary OTA's - this wasn't unusual for Wayne because he typically skipped OTA's anyway. Reggie preferred to work out on his own.

Next Wayne and Mathis sat out of mandatory minicamp.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ing-new-deals/


In the end, they both reported to training camp that year.

I don't think there was any hard feelings between the player and team - both Reggie and Robert signed a new deal with the Colts once their contract was finally finished.

o


It's not the same because the players essentially had no rights way back then, but Mickey Mantle, Joe Dimaggio, Sandy Koufax, and Don Drysdale also had famous/infamous holdouts when they played.

The Yankees fined DiMaggio $100 per day when he held out (that was a lot of money back then, considering that the minimum salary for Major League players was $4,000 per year.)

The Yankees told Mantle to take a hike if he didn't like their salary offer.


The Dodgers used to play Koufax and Drysdale off of one another. They would tell Koufax, "Are you kidding me ??? We're only paying Drysdale $70,000. We can't pay you $100,000." Then they would tell Drysdale the same ....... "Are you kidding me ??? We're only paying Koufax $70,000. We can't pay you $100,000."

Eventually, Koufax and Drysdale became wise to the chicanery of the Dodgers' front office, and they held out TOGETHER prior to the 1966 season. Even though the players had no other recourse other than holding out (no free agency, no salary arbitration, and a reserve-clause that bound a player to a team for life) the Dodgers eventually caved ...... the mid-1960's Los Angeles Dodgers without Koufax and Drysdale would have been like an ice cream sundae without the ice cream.

o

[apballin]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

I think a lot of people forget some of the Colts players who have held out over the years.

I wouldn't say that players that hold out lack integrity - there are a lot of players that have held out.

If that is the determining factor, then:

Reggie Wayne lacks integrity.

Robert Mathis lacks integrity.

The reason why I bring up their names is because they held out at the same exact time.

They both had 2 years left on their (non-rookie) contract. Player salaries had gone up since they signed their deals so they were underpaid vs their peers. They both wanted to renegotiate their contract. Hmmm, that sounds familiar to the details in this thread.

Polian told them to go pound sand. OK, he said it a little more delicately than that but not much, because it was Polian after all. Polian hid behind the CBA negotiations a bit - he said he didn't want to sign any long term deals before knowing the details of the new CBA.

So Wayne and Mathis sat out of voluntary OTA's - this wasn't unusual for Wayne because he typically skipped OTA's anyway. Reggie preferred to work out on his own.

Next Wayne and Mathis sat out of mandatory minicamp.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ing-new-deals/


In the end, they both reported to training camp that year.

I don't think there was any hard feelings between the player and team - both Reggie and Robert signed a new deal with the Colts once their contract was finally finished.

Except for the minor detail on their resumes………………


Superbowl Champions

Moore hasn’t won shit can’t even compare him to those legends, he’s more comparable to Dom Rhodes but all this will be irrelevant because he will be at camp he’s not that stupid

[CanuckColt]

Moore is making a lot of money for his position and skillset and he is trusting his agent to do the right thing, but agents are weasels and often get their clients messed up.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by CanuckColt

Moore is making a lot of money for his position and skillset and he is trusting his agent to do the right thing, but agents are weasels, and often get their clients messed up.

o


Agents can indeed be weasels and cause trouble for the clients, but ultimately, the client is the agent's boss ...... if the client senses that the agent is being a dipshit, he has the right to fire him on the spot and make it clear to the media that the agent's position/stance is not his.

I'm not necessarily saying that Kenny Moore ought to fire his agent, I'm simply pointing out that the agent works for the client, not the other way around.

o

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

o


Agents can indeed be weasels and cause trouble for the clients, but ultimately, the client is the agent's boss ...... if the client senses that the agent is being a dipshit, he has the right to fire him on the spot and make it clear to the media that the agent's position/stance is not his.

I'm not necessarily saying that Kenny Moore ought to fire his agent, I'm simply pointing out that the agent works for the client, not the other way around.

o

These players put their health on the line every time they take the field. If they have leverage to get a bigger pay day, GOOD FOR THEM!

I am 64 years old, I have a pension and SS to fall back on, with my investments to get to the end of my days. These are young men risking their health and lives in a brutal game, in their 20s.

I believe they should get all they can when they can. They owe the fans jack sh*t