Irsay and Ballard

[GoBigBlue88]

My guess: he misses 4-6 games. Colts look awful. Colts go sub .500 this year, learn who can play and who can't, fire Pagano, and get the rebuild in overdrive for 2018.

[Dewey 5]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

My guess: he misses 4-6 games. Colts look awful. Colts go sub .500 this year, learn who can play and who can't, fire Pagano, and get the rebuild in overdrive for 2018.

Pagano will get the injury card pass again.

[bertjones]

Originally Posted by Dewey 5

Pagano will get the injury card pass again.

I don't think so. I think Ballard was very careful and nuanced to say earlier
that he would judge Pagano by how the players developed, not by the teams
record. My gut feeling is that Ballard would have loved to bring in his guy
from KC(Taub?) but that he had to give a fig leaf to Irsay(Pagano). I think
Pagano is on a very short leash. And if he does play the injury card Ballard
can simply say "yeah, but you didn't properly develop the players you
did have". It's a frustrating situation but as GB opined the rebuilding
probably goes to a new level next year so there is some light.

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by bertjones

I don't think so. I think Ballard was very careful and nuanced to say earlier
that he would judge Pagano by how the players developed, not by the teams
record. My gut feeling is that Ballard would have loved to bring in his guy
from KC(Taub?) but that he had to give a fig leaf to Irsay(Pagano). I think
Pagano is on a very short leash. And if he does play the injury card Ballard
can simply say "yeah, but you didn't properly develop the players you
did have". It's a frustrating situation but as GB opined the rebuilding
probably goes to a new level next year so there is some light.

I just never understand why Ballard would need to offer a "fig leaf" to Irsay in the form of keeping Pagano. Either Irsay trusted Ballard to rebuild this team or he didn't. Pagano should be no part of that. He obviously hired Ballard so he should trust him to rebuild as he sees fit at that point, and pretty much every time a new GM comes in, that means a new head coach, and it SHOULD have been the case here.

The only excuse that even remotely registers is that they didn't want to make a change with Luck injured to where he couldn't get reps in the new system, but even then, why stick with mediocrity? Just bite the bullet and next year they would be in year 2 of a system instead of starting over like they likely will be.

[1965southpaw]

My understanding of the situation is that Irsay WAS open to upgrading from Pagano but only if he could land a big name proven winner (harbaugh, Saban, etc...). When he wasn't able to make a deal with any of his short list candidates he made the change he could make (upgrade the GM)......and turn over the reigns to Ballard. I hear the same as Bert....,that Ballard has claimed Chuckie will be assessed on development of young talent......hence I firmly believe he's out after this year even if we manage to limp our way into a conference championship.

[DrSpaceman]

Originally Posted by 1965southpaw

My understanding of the situation is that Irsay WAS open to upgrading from Pagano but only if he could land a big name proven winner (harbaugh, Saban, etc...). When he wasn't able to make a deal with any of his short list candidates he made the change he could make (upgrade the GM)......and turn over the reigns to Ballard. I hear the same as Bert....,that Ballard has claimed Chuckie will be assessed on development of young talent......hence I firmly believe he's out after this year even if we manage to limp our way into a conference championship.

This is what I believe as well.

He wanted a new coach but did not want to hire just anyone as the replacement. He missed out on those he was after and just decided to stick with Pagano

[bertjones]

Originally Posted by JesusChrist

I just never understand why Ballard would need to offer a "fig leaf" to Irsay in the form of keeping Pagano. Either Irsay trusted Ballard to rebuild this team or he didn't. Pagano should be no part of that. He obviously hired Ballard so he should trust him to rebuild as he sees fit at that point, and pretty much every time a new GM comes in, that means a new head coach, and it SHOULD have been the case here.

The only excuse that even remotely registers is that they didn't want to make a change with Luck injured to where he couldn't get reps in the new system, but even then, why stick with mediocrity? Just bite the bullet and next year they would be in year 2 of a system instead of starting over like they likely will be.

My thought is that Irsay really insisted on keeping Pagano for this year, perhaps to the point of making it a condition. Ballard really wanted the job, primarily because of Luck. Since he knew that this was a rebuilding year anyway
he abided by the "request'. Not exactly the way he wanted to start out
but not fatal to the big picture.

[Butter]

[QUOTE=GoBigBlue88;22355]My guess: he misses 4-6 games. Colts look awful. Colts go sub .500 this year, learn who can play and who can't, fire Pagano, and get the rebuild in overdrive for 2018.[/QUOTE
I can see that happening.

[Johanvil]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

My guess: he misses 4-6 games. Colts look awful. Colts go sub .500 this year, learn who can play and who can't, fire Pagano, and get the rebuild in overdrive for 2018.

Something that should and could have been done in 2017 but hey ho new GM's "he's not my head coach but have to give him a year before I definitely fire him next season" klaxon.

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

My guess: he misses 4-6 games. Colts look awful. Colts go sub .500 this year, learn who can play and who can't, fire Pagano, and get the rebuild in overdrive for 2018.

So you figure by year 9-10 of Lucks career, they'll be be contenders again ?? If that's the case, Irsay should fire himself then go check into home.