Vaccination rate

[Oldcolt]

The protocols the NFL has in place for unvaccinated players will impact this team. We will be playing at a huge disadvantage compared to vaccinated teams. They include

Testing required every day

masks required at club facility and during travel

Quarantine after high risk exposure to COVID

Travel restrictions in effect

15 player limit in weight room

Physical distance in meal room; may not eat with team.

No social/media/marketing sponsorship activities permitted

May not use sauna/steam room

May not leave team hotel to eat in restaurants; may not interact with anyone
outside of Team Traveling Party during team travel

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

All of us suffer from believing our thoughts. Can't fix being human.

That is not true. Believing evidence and health officials who as physicians have sworn to do no harm, is intelligence. Its what we strive for as a species. Being intellectually lazy is not an excuse.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

We politicized a epidemic. It should be a medical argument only. The unvaccinated are at the highest risk, but this variant attacks children as well and we are about to start the new school season. Which means children of unvaccinated will be mixing with other children.

Also, the longer we drag this out, more chance a new mutation will pop up that the vaccine won’t cover. We are our own worst enemy.

The longer we can drag this out, means the more it can politicized into future elections.

It's really sad that we can't come together as a country at a time of need. I'm fairly certain that the current generation could not have polarized and in a non-bipartisan way to do the right thing, during trying times like WW II, or any other crisis we have faced in the last 60+ years.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

The longer we can drag this out, means the more it can politicized into future elections.

It's really sad that we can't come together as a country at a time of need. I'm fairly certain that the current generation could not have polarized and in a non-bipartisan way to do the right thing, during trying times like WW II, or any other crisis we have faced in the last 60+ years.

And its over vaccinations? The only cases of mumps or measles in this country over the past 10 years has been brought in from outside the country. Polio and small pox have managed and eradicated by vaccination. Indiana kids are required to have over 10 vaccinations to attend school.

We have gone backwards as a civilization. Next thing the GOP will claim is that they saw Lizzy Proctor speaking with the devil.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by JAFF

And its over vaccinations? The only cases of mumps or measles in this country over the past 10 years has been brought in from outside the country. Polio and small pox have managed and eradicated by vaccination. Indiana kids are required to have over 10 vaccinations to attend school.

We have gone backwards as a civilization. The next thing that the GOP will claim is that they saw Lizzie Proctor speaking with the Devil.

o


Change that to Lizzie Borden, and they may be onto something.


o

[HoosierinFL]

Originally Posted by Ironshaft

It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?

Sure, it just happens to be a choice that isn't just personal. it affects others. Its a demonstrably *bad* choice.

[woodyscolts]

Originally Posted by Ironshaft

It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?

Yeah except it is really your body your choice to infect anybody else you come in contact with, unfortunately it is then not their choice. I agree that it should not be forced on anybody but it is sad how many stupid people out there will not get the vaccine and then still do not wear masks indoors. My wife has MS and has to take a drug to knock her immune system down. She took the vaccine and then 3 weeks later got an antibody test and because of being immune deficient she has no protection. There are a lot of people out there that the vaccine might not work because of having a compromised immune system. If you choose to not get the vaccine then have the balls to still wear masks indoors!

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by woodyscolts

Yeah except it is really your body your choice to infect anybody else you come in contact with, unfortunately it is then not their choice. I agree that it should not be forced on anybody but it is sad how many stupid people out there will not get the vaccine and then still do not wear masks indoors. My wife has MS and has to take a drug to knock her immune system down. She took the vaccine and then 3 weeks later got an antibody test and because of being immune deficient she has no protection. There are a lot of people out there that the vaccine might not work because of having a compromised immune system. If you choose to not get the vaccine then have the balls to still wear masks indoors!

I have an adult daughter with an auto immune issue. She has been vaccinated, but is still high risk.

No vaccination, ok. Wear a mask, every choice has a cost.

[HoosierinFL]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

All of us suffer from believing our thoughts. Can't fix being human.

There is always a significant difference between knowing and believing. We may know that the earth turns, but we believe, as we say, that the sun rises. We know by evidence, or by trust in people who have examined the evidence in a way that we trust is trustworthy. We may sometimes be persuaded to believe by reason, but within the welter of our experience reason is limited and weak. We believe always by coming, in some sense, to see. We believe in what is apparent, in what we can imagine or "picture" in our minds, in what we feel to be true, in what our hearts tell us, in experience, in stories - above all, perhaps, in stories.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by woodyscolts

Yeah, except it is really your body your choice to infect anybody else you come in contact with, unfortunately it is then not their choice. I agree that it should not be forced on anybody but it is sad how many stupid people out there will not get the vaccine and then still do not wear masks indoors. My wife has MS and has to take a drug to knock her immune system down. She took the vaccine and then 3 weeks later got an antibody test and because of being immune deficient she has no protection. There are a lot of people out there that the vaccine might not work because of having a compromised immune system. If you choose to not get the vaccine then have the balls to still wear masks indoors !!!

o

This line of thought reminds me somewhat of the argument in regard to smoking cigarettes around other people ...... having the right to smoke cigarettes should not include the right to smoke them in front of other people, especially within indoor public environments. I'm glad that the smoking laws are much stricter now than they were 40 years ago.

It's not entirely the same exact thing as the COVID vaccination argument, but it is similar.

o