POLL- Lose to Jags, should Frank be fired?

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

What a ricockulous comparison. If Reich had anywhere near Reid's career success (or even Reid's success his first 4 years in the league) we wouldn't be talking about getting rid of him.

Look, it's not a comparison. There is no comparison between Reid and Reich. Reid has been a model of consistency, a HOF'er. Although, it's worth pointing out that in the past 23 seasons, Reid has only had 4 starting QB's: McNabb (10), Vick (3), Smith (5), and Mahomes (5). Meanwhile, Reich has had 5 consecutive new starters in each of his 5 seasons. I know we like to speak in platitudes and all... but that's worth something.

But that's not the point. Reid has had HOF levels of success.

The point is the fans' impulsive reactions. Reid is an absurd example... to make a point. If KC failed to make the playoffs this year while being pegged by most as the best or second-best team in the AFC, people would lose their fucking minds and demand blood. You know they would. Would you?

In fact... I'm willing to bet there are plenty of ChoppedWood-minded KC fans that are already clamoring to get rid of Reid because they say he's only won the Super Bowl once in 23 years and that's only because Mahomes is a generational QB. Say every other year he choked, that TB crushed them in the SB, that they couldn't beat the upstart Bengals, and now they're going in the wrong direction, wasting Mahomes' prime, gets too cute, thinks he's so smart, etc.

Come on, you know fans do that kind of shit.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

Look, it's not a comparison. There is no comparison between Reid and Reich. Reid has been a model of consistency, a HOF'er. Although, it's worth pointing out that in the past 23 seasons, Reid has only had 4 starting QB's: McNabb (10), Vick (3), Smith (5), and Mahomes (5). Meanwhile, Reich has had 5 consecutive new starters in each of his 5 seasons. I know we like to speak in platitudes and all... but that's worth something.

But that's not the point. Reid has had HOF levels of success.

The point is the fans' impulsive reactions. Reid is an absurd example... to make a point. If KC failed to make the playoffs this year while being pegged by most as the best or second-best team in the AFC, people would lose their fucking minds and demand blood. You know they would. Would you?

In fact... I'm willing to bet there are plenty of ChoppedWood-minded KC fans that are already clamoring to get rid of Reid because they say he's only won the Super Bowl once in 23 years and that's only because Mahomes is a generational QB. Say every other year he choked, that TB crushed them in the SB, that they couldn't beat the upstart Bengals, and now they're going in the wrong direction, wasting Mahomes' prime, gets too cute, thinks he's so smart, etc.

Come on, you know fans do that kind of shit.

Actually Reid had Kevin Kolb and Foles in Philly as well as Foles in KC.

I'm sure you're right that there's probably some nut bags who would want to fire Reid, which would be ridiculous. I certainly wouldn't want to fire Reid, but he's won a SB, been to 2 more, and made the playoffs like 16 out of 23 years.

As for Frank, why do you believe he should keep his job if we miss the playoffs again? That would mean we would have missed the playoffs in 3 of 5 years under him, and one of his playoff teams was w/ Luck which isn't that big of a feet. Clappy was able to do that twice (3 times if you count the Arians year), and we all know how unbelievably incompetent he was. Frank did a good job in '20 (with the exception of week 1 of course), but any good will from that year should be gone after last year's epic collapse. On top of that he's shown that he's completely incapable of getting his team ready to start the season. Aren't you tired of us shitting the bed against bad teams in week 1 every single year?

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

That's true. Sorry, Cletus. I was making the point that impulsive thinking leads to bad takes.

To address it seriously... a coaching change after two weeks is a complete non-starter in my eyes. It's completely unrealistic given the patient nature of the FO anyway because it would be rash and unwarranted.

As for whether they should consider firing Reich if the fail to make the playoffs... I mean, ok, sure they should. But how enlightening is that? If Andy Reid failed to lead the Chiefs to the playoffs this year, wouldn't people say the same thing?

Goes for any team coming in with expectations this year. Just doesn't strike me as a meaningful stance to take.

Well, it's not the first time I've stepped in it. I was raised a Bears fan and still have a soft spot for them. I never really felt Trubisky got a fair shot in Chicago. There were times that he looked like one of the best young prospects in the league, but there was never a lot of talent on any of those Bears teams and things went sour. I still believe he has a chance to be really good, he is only 28 years old. Of course, at the time I was pushing for Trubisky I had no idea that Ryan would be available.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Actually Reid had Kevin Kolb and Foles in Philly as well as Foles in KC.

I'm sure you're right that there's probably some nut bags who would want to fire Reid, which would be ridiculous. I certainly wouldn't want to fire Reid, but he's won a SB, been to 2 more, and made the playoffs like 16 out of 23 years.

As for Frank, why do you believe he should keep his job if we miss the playoffs again? That would mean we would have missed the playoffs in 3 of 5 years under him, and one of his playoff teams was w/ Luck which isn't that big of a feet. Clappy was able to do that twice (3 times if you count the Arians year), and we all know how unbelievably incompetent he was. Frank did a good job in '20 (with the exception of week 1 of course), but any good will from that year should be gone after last year's epic collapse. On top of that he's shown that he's completely incapable of getting his team ready to start the season. Aren't you tired of us shitting the bed against bad teams in week 1 every single year?

Great damn post

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

As for Frank, why do you believe he should keep his job if we miss the playoffs again?

I didn't say I believe he should keep his job if we miss the playoffs. I said I think firing him after week 2 is nonsense. And saying you want the HC fired if your team misses the playoffs isn't exactly novel. I think a lot of teams with high expectations would be in that same boat.

If we miss the playoffs, I very well may be ready for him to go. But I tend to look at things with more nuance than typical. I can easily imagine scenarios where we miss the playoffs but I want Reich to return... e.g., we put key players on I.R. (knock) and just miss out via tie-breaker or something.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

If we miss the playoffs, I very well may be ready for him to go. But I tend to look at things with more nuance than typical. I can easily imagine scenarios where we miss the playoffs but I want Reich to return... e.g., we put key players on I.R. (knock) and just miss out via tie-breaker or something.

That's fair. When I voted for and state that he should be fired if we don't make the playoffs it's under the assumption that it's not b/c we're decimated by injuries or get screwed over in a tie breaker despite having a good record (although if that happens then it'll make our week 1 performance look even worse), etc.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

So you think it's perfectly acceptable for Frank's teams to be 0-4-1 in week one against bad teams (2 of which are REALLY bad)?

Is it also perfectly acceptable for his teams to lose to the Jagoffs every year like clockwork despite the fact that they've been the worst team in the league in that span and have beaten a whopping 11 teams other than us during that time (TBH I'm pretty surprised it's that high)?

1) That post was clearly sarcasm, I took it to the extreme to ensure that was understood.

2) What does it matter which games are won or lost? As long as enough are won to get to the postseason and (hopefully) no games are lost from there.

3) This losing streak in Jacksonville is annoying, but all that can be done now is to fix it moving forward.

[albany ed]

Latest injury report has me thinking we'll find out if he gets fired after we lose to the Jags.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

1) That post was clearly sarcasm, I took it to the extreme to ensure that was understood.

I had to back and re read your post, and yes it is sarcastic. It took me by surprise, well done, well played. I look forward for more in the future.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

1) That post was clearly sarcasm, I took it to the extreme to ensure that was understood.

2) What does it matter which games are won or lost? As long as enough are won to get to the postseason and (hopefully) no games are lost from there.

3) This losing streak in Jacksonville is annoying, but all that can be done now is to fix it moving forward.

1) Clearly it was a sarcastic comment towards those of us on here who get pissed off when the Colts play down to their competition.

2) It matters b/c when a team isn't able to beat the bad teams on its schedule it typically leads to them not making the playoffs ('21) or being a lower seed than they should have been and having to play on the road in the playoffs ('20, '18). Also, getting off to a slow start every year means you have to dig yourself out of a hole every year.

3) Agreed, and hope they break that embarrassing streak tomorrow. Think we all have our doubts that it'll happen though, especially after seeing the updated injury report.