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[TheMugwump]

Originally Posted by Johanvil

They walk among us



https://twitter.com/gmbremer/status/1075375380146601984

Denver being in the AFC, I'm all for this move. Only thing that would be better would be him going to Jax, Houston, or Tennessee. Or the Pats.


And although I am very happy that we've moved on from Chuck and ecstatic that we Lucked (heh) into Reich, I feel that this needs to be put out there:

All-Time Colts Head Coaching Wins

Dungy - 85
Shula - 71
Marchibroda - 71 **
Ewbank - 59
Pagano - 56

** In two stints

All-Time Colts Head Coaching Win Percentage

Dungy - .759
Shula - .725
McCafferty - .667
Pagano - .552

And no, it's not like he inherited all of Dungy's talent. That would be Jim Caldwell you are thinking of.

Of course, you would have to factor in the Bruce Arians factor, which I'm not sure how to calculate. And yes, the team got consistently worse and worse.

Again, I'm not a fan of Pagano, but he was FAR from the worst coach in franchise history. Go ahead and blast me. I can't believe those numbers myself.

However, as someone once said, you are what your record says you are.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by TheMugwump

Denver being in the AFC, I'm all for this move. Only thing that would be better would be him going to Jax, Houston, or Tennessee. Or the Pats.


And although I am very happy that we've moved on from Chuck and ecstatic that we Lucked (heh) into Reich, I feel that this needs to be put out there:

All-Time Colts Head Coaching Wins

Dungy - 85
Shula - 71
Marchibroda - 71 **
Ewbank - 59
Pagano - 56

** In two stints

All-Time Colts Head Coaching Win Percentage

Dungy - .759
Shula - .725
McCafferty - .667
Pagano - .552

And no, it's not like he inherited all of Dungy's talent. That would be Jim Caldwell you are thinking of.

Of course, you would have to factor in the Bruce Arians factor, which I'm not sure how to calculate. And yes, the team got consistently worse and worse.

Again, I'm not a fan of Pagano, but he was FAR from the worst coach in franchise history. Go ahead and blast me. I can't believe those numbers myself.

However, as someone once said, you are what your record says you are.

Dam hacked your account

[FatDT]

A look at his division record vs. teams outside the division is all you need to see. The AFC South was incredibly weak during the Grigson/Pagano era.

[Racehorse]

As a serious follow-up, I think it was Cowherd who said, speaking of the Steelers, that momentum of a franchise is a real thing and Tomlin was beneficiary of the momentum of the franchise under Bill Cowher. He went on to say that he was successful the first five years because of the momentum, but after that, momentum was lost and they are in a downward spiral.

Pagano benefited from the Dungy momentum, and spiraled down even faster than Tomlin has. You could say Caldwell slowed the momentum, but, either way, Pagano put the brakes on it. Reich is building positive momentum that we hope will last a decade or more.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-.../1324262467557

As Ed says, the future is bright!

[DrSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

As a serious follow-up, I think it was Cowherd who said, speaking of the Steelers, that momentum of a franchise is a real thing and Tomlin was beneficiary of the momentum of the franchise under Bill Cowher. He went on to say that he was successful the first five years because of the momentum, but after that, momentum was lost and they are in a downward spiral.

Pagano benefited from the Dungy momentum, and spiraled down even faster than Tomlin has. You could say Caldwell slowed the momentum, but, either way, Pagano put the brakes on it. Reich is building positive momentum that we hope will last a decade or more.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-.../1324262467557

As Ed says, the future is bright!

In defense of Tomlin, who I think gets unfairly criticized by a franchise and fans with very high expectations, momentum from a prior head coach does not last 5 years in the NFL. A year, maybe two, not five

Five years is an ETERNITY in the NFL, especially when you consider the average NFL player is in the league 4 years.

Tomlin may benefit from other parts of the Pitt organization, like the front office, owner, overall philosophy, etc. That is different than "momentum" from the prior head coach though.

Also the reality is Cowher got incredibly lucky on his Superbowl run in 2006, in so many ways. We know that firsthand.

Carson Palmer gets injured in first quarter vs. Steelers, they beat a back up

they outplayed the Colts in the playoffs, but they catch a great Colts team, probably the best since they have been in Indy, on a down week with Dungy's son just having committed suicide shortly before the playoffs. The horrible AV miss to tie. The phantom tackle by Roethlisberger on what should have been a defensive TD return.

That Superbowl, the refs basically handed it to them with horrible calls.

[ChileColts]

Originally Posted by DrSpaceman

In defense of Tomlin, who I think gets unfairly criticized by a franchise and fans with very high expectations, momentum from a prior head coach does not last 5 years in the NFL. A year, maybe two, not five

Five years is an ETERNITY in the NFL, especially when you consider the average NFL player is in the league 4 years.

Tomlin may benefit from other parts of the Pitt organization, like the front office, owner, overall philosophy, etc. That is different than "momentum" from the prior head coach though.

Also the reality is Cowher got incredibly lucky on his Superbowl run in 2006, in so many ways. We know that firsthand.

Carson Palmer gets injured in first quarter vs. Steelers, they beat a back up

they outplayed the Colts in the playoffs, but they catch a great Colts team, probably the best since they have been in Indy, on a down week with Dungy's son just having committed suicide shortly before the playoffs. The horrible AV miss to tie. The phantom tackle by Roethlisberger on what should have been a defensive TD return.

That Superbowl, the refs basically handed it to them with horrible calls.

I think that was the A-hole Mike Vanderjagt

[DrSpaceman]

Originally Posted by ChileColts

I think that was the A-hole Mike Vanderjagt

Right sorry, vanderjagt, note Vinatieri

That was why they signed Vinatieri, to avoid horrible clutch kicks like that one

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by ChileColts

I think that was the A-hole Mike Vanderjagt

It was, as Manning put it, " the liquored up kicker".

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by ChileColts

I think that was the A-hole Mike Vanderjagt

LOL, damn, that's a universal feeling. Didn't he miss the field on that kick? Didn't hit out of bounds on the right side of the field, it missed the end zone cone?

[DrSpaceman]

Originally Posted by JAFF

LOL, damn, that's a universal feeling. Didn't he miss the field on that kick? Didn't hit out of bounds on the right side of the field, it missed the end zone cone?

It was bad. Wide right like 30 yards. Not even close. Worst clutch kick I have ever seen.