Realistic Draft

[FatDT]

Originally Posted by sherck

My only modification to that list is that instead of Hernandez, we need at OT.

If we had to play meaningful games today, our top candidates for right OT are Good, Haeg and Clark in that order.

If we had to play meaningful games today, our top candidates for OG are Mewhort, Slauson, Haeg, Good, Clark and Vujnovich in that order.

We need OT help more than we need OG help for 2018, IMO.

So, instead of Will Hernandez, I would take Brian O'Neill, Jamarco Jones, Kolton Miller or Tyrell Crosby; whomever the Colts scouts had highest available.

Walk Worthy,

I think chances are good that Hernandez will end up a better player than any of the OTs in this class.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by sherck

My only modification to that list is that instead of Hernandez, we need at OT.

If we had to play meaningful games today, our top candidates for right OT are Good, Haeg and Clark in that order.

If we had to play meaningful games today, our top candidates for OG are Mewhort, Slauson, Haeg, Good, Clark and Vujnovich in that order.

We need OT help more than we need OG help for 2018, IMO.

So, instead of Will Hernandez, I would take Brian O'Neill, Jamarco Jones, Kolton Miller or Tyrell Crosby; whomever the Colts scouts had highest available.

Walk Worthy,

The need is greater at tackle, but those players are inferior to Hernandez. Don’t reach.

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by Puck

Trading back for the 12 and 22 and Getting one of of Edmunds or Smith at 12 and then getting one of LVE Fitzpatrick James Landry Hurst Ridley Hernandez at 22 is smarter than taking Chubb.

Some of you are over infatuated with Chubb. He's good... he is not clearly the best player in the draft. And in previous drafts wouldnt even be in the discussion for the 6th pick.

Pass rushers are always harder to find and more valuable than linebackers. Chubb can rush the passer and plays the run well. It doesn't matter if he would have been the 6th pick or the 15th pick last year, he still would be more valuable than a linebacker. You need a franchise QB in this league and you need pass rushers who can disrupt the opposing franchise QB. Without that, your defense will struggle.

I like those LB'ers you mentioned as well. If Ballard goes that route, then I'm fine with it, but we need pass rushers.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Puck

And in previous drafts wouldnt even be in the discussion for the 6th pick.

Disagree. He draws comparisons to Joey Bosa and Mario Williams. I can't think of a draft class where he wouldn't be in the Top 5 discussion and the top 10 players. Last year's pass rusher/DE class was loaded and if you put Chubb up for comparison, only Myles Garrett would rank ahead of him.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by JesusChrist

Pass rushers are always harder to find and more valuable than linebackers. Chubb can rush the passer and plays the run well. It doesn't matter if he would have been the 6th pick or the 15th pick last year, he still would be more valuable than a linebacker. You need a franchise QB in this league and you need pass rushers who can disrupt the opposing franchise QB. Without that, your defense will struggle.

I like those LB'ers you mentioned as well. If Ballard goes that route, then I'm fine with it, but we need pass rushers.

Yep, if Chubb is there you run to the podium. If not, entertain all offers.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by ZiaColt

I can still remember watching Urlacher live, returning punts in college....unreal

from everything I've seen and read, Smith is undersized but his football IQ and character are off the charts

I'd still like to see the Colts pick up a CB somewhere along the line--maybe with one of their 2nd rounders if he's the BPA at that slot--but it sounds like he'd possibly need to be more of a zone guy (?)

Hernandez may move up into the first round. Wynn may too. But I'd be mildly shocked if both of them do, along with McGlinchey and Williams (and, of course, Nelson before all of them).

I guess all 5 could go first round, but that would definitely push some promising guys down to the top of Round Two if they did.

I like Smith a lot in our type of defense. Give him some good DT's in front of him and he could have a Ray Lewis type effect.

LVE doesn't have the instincts Urlacher did coming in. But he did get better the more he played. He just needs experience and and in a couple years could be a very good LB.

The Colts will get a WR and a CB in the first four picks. But there are some good CB's in this draft and some will fall. You could get maybe a Carlton Davis in the 3rd or a Perry Nicholson in the 6th.

I like Wynn better than Hernandez. Wynn can play three positions on the line and has good technique and big ole butt (means he can anchor and stop a bull rush in its tracks).

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by sherck

My only modification to that list is that instead of Hernandez, we need at OT.

If we had to play meaningful games today, our top candidates for right OT are Good, Haeg and Clark in that order.

If we had to play meaningful games today, our top candidates for OG are Mewhort, Slauson, Haeg, Good, Clark and Vujnovich in that order.

We need OT help more than we need OG help for 2018, IMO.

So, instead of Will Hernandez, I would take Brian O'Neill, Jamarco Jones, Kolton Miller or Tyrell Crosby; whomever the Colts scouts had highest available.

Walk Worthy,

I agree. Two linemen I like a lot, that I do not hear about, are Brian O'neil and Braden Smith. Both are very good athletes and I think are under the radar a bit. O'Neil was a former TE and can really move with good feet. Smith is very strong and has very good technique. As a combo I think they could fix the right side permanently and you would have to spend as high a picks as the other guys.

I would avoid Miller, I think he is too tall and maxed out technique wise. I also think the pats will take him in the first.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Puck

Trading back for the 12 and 22 and Getting one of of Edmunds or Smith at 12 and then getting one of LVE Fitzpatrick James Landry Hurst Ridley Hernandez at 22 is smarter than taking Chubb.

Some of you are over infatuated with Chubb. He's good... he is not clearly the best player in the draft. And in previous drafts wouldnt even be in the discussion for the 6th pick.

I disagree on Chubb, the guy broke all of Mario Williams records. He had 100 solo tackles in his career, 200 with assists, and had 54 plays behind the line of scrimmage. That is about 2 plays a game made behind the line of scrimmage. That is huge effect on a game and likely drive killing plays just from him alone. That's a major impact, not many guys come into the NFL with that kind of impact and teams would love to have a guy that can do that on the field.

Now, would I trade back and take those players with those picks? Yes I would. I don't know if Smith and Edmunds makes it to 12 though. I would take Ward there though and feel great about it. And then hope Hurst, Tavon, or Landry make it to 22.

There are still a lot of good LB's we can have later in the draft. Darius Leonard, Malik Jefferson, Uchenna Nwosu, Tegray Scales, Jerome Baker, Fred Warner, Shaquem Griffen, Tre Williams. Thin all these guys could play in our system. I really like Leonard with one of our 2nd rounders.

Sleeper: Airius Moore

Our lack of free agency moves makes me believe they want as many picks as they can get. I think Buffalo is a major potential move, but Denver, Cleveland, and NY are potential partners for them.

[ZiaColt]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

I like Smith a lot in our type of defense. Give him some good DT's in front of him and he could have a Ray Lewis type effect.

LVE doesn't have the instincts Urlacher did coming in. But he did get better the more he played. He just needs experience and and in a couple years could be a very good LB.

The Colts will get a WR and a CB in the first four picks. But there are some good CB's in this draft and some will fall. You could get maybe a Carlton Davis in the 3rd or a Perry Nicholson in the 6th.

I like Wynn better than Hernandez. Wynn can play three positions on the line and has good technique and big ole butt (means he can anchor and stop a bull rush in its tracks).

I think that, if anything, it's more likely at this point that both Wynn and Hernandez will be gone before #36 than it is that they'll both be there. I'd be happy with either one. I expect at least 5 OLs will go in the first round.

Not sure I'd take O'Neill early 2nd round--it sounds like some scouts STILL regard him as "a TE playing out of position" and I don't know how that would work long-term in the NFL. But a 6' 6" 300-plus kid who can run a 4.82 40 is certainly intriguing.

But I'm hoping by #36 the BPA may be a DB, WR, or maybe an LB if one drops out of the 1st round with all the QBs, OLs, etc. going in Round One.
And, with any luck, maybe B. Smith drops to #49, where IMO he might be a better value than any OL the Colts could draft at #36 (assuming Wynn and Hernandez are both gone by then).

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by ZiaColt

Not sure I'd take O'Neill early 2nd round--it sounds like some scouts STILL regard him as "a TE playing out of position" and I don't know how that would work long-term in the NFL. But a 6' 6" 300-plus kid who can run a 4.82 40 is certainly intriguing.

Reich should know ho that worked out, (Lane Johnson). The other comp I've heard O'Neill compared to is Nate Solder.