Colts name Daniel Jones the QB1

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by ukcolt

I am not sure that Jones was the real problem with the Giants, they were just a truly terrible roster from top to bottom in his last few seasons. I don't think Mahomes would have been able to get that roster to above 500. I like Chris Simms and he is a massive Giants fan, he was always saying that Jones was a long way down the list of reasons why the Giants were so bad.

Yet guys like Tommy Devito and Drew Lock were able to outperform Jones w/ the same players surrounding them

[ukcolt]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Yet guys like Tommy Devito and Drew Lock were able to outperform Jones w/ the same players surrounding them

Tommy Devito played well for a month and then fell flat on his face. Lock went 1-1 in that season.

As i said before i don't think Jones is the saviour, i just think he is far more likely to produce something with a better supporting cast than he has ever had, than what AR has shown with this cast around him already.

I am not completely out on AR, he clearly has amazing arm talent and great running ability, but so far he has proven he can't read a defense, and that he is historically bad in terms of his accuracy!!

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by ukcolt

Tommy Devito played well for a month and then fell flat on his face. Lock went 1-1 in that season.

1 month of playing well is better than not playing well at all and a .500 record is better than .200.

[IndyNorm]

If you don't take into consideration the long term upside and/or the only real objective you have is to finish above .500 this season and make the playoffs then it makes sense to go w/ Jones. But when you take into account the long term upside of each player the only way it make sense to go w/ Jones IMO is if he played really well in Preseason/TC or AR was really bad. Neither was the case. In the preseason games AR was more inconsistent, but he orchestrated by far our best drive of the preseason. Whereas Jones could only muster up FGs, including when he was playing w/ mostly our starters vs. backups. And while I didn't read every single article on TC, what I did read made it sound like they were pretty much even.

At any rate, I'll still be watching and hoping that Jones proves us all wrong. If he does then I'll definitely be happy to come on here and eat my fair share of crow.

One thing is for sure though, and that's Ballard and Steichen royally fucked this us from pretty much the get go.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

1 month of playing well is better than not playing well at all and a .500 record is better than .200.

Come on, no one can take you seriously with that argument based on the super small sample.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by Butter

Come on, no one can take you seriously with that argument based on the super small sample.

Where’s Devito now?

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

Where’s Devito now?

I’m not sure what the gotcha is here. Less than a year ago Daniel Jones was playing scout team safety for the Giants and then was on the Vikings practice squad. He was not significantly better than the people he was replaced with regardless of where they are now. Right or wrong, if Jones wasn’t a first round pick he may be out of the league at this point. Instead he’s a starter. And yes I recognize the same may apply to AR in the future. That doesn’t change the point about Jones performance.

[Chromeburn]

My two cents. Clearly DJ outworked AR off the field. But Giants fans said that’s what he does. It’s on the field where he folds, he has trouble executing and hesitates at key seconds. Steichen runs a fairly friendly scheme though. So I’d like to see how he does with it. I expect Pittman and the TEs to have a big year. Less so AP and AD. I think Steichen believes he can get game management out of jones with me checkdown using the system.

There is something limiting AR, maybe it’s brains, maybe it’s work ethic, maybe it’s inexperience and he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. Naive has been used a lot and I wonder if Jim forced them to play him. I’m also not on the blowout up train. Unless you have the number one pick, a hall of fame GM coming in, and a great QB sitting there. I’ve seen too many times where blowing it up just makes things worse.

I also don’t think this is the last we’ve seen of AR. DJ has never played a full season. 60 QB started last year. Odds are we will see him play. I’m still hopeful for him to get it together. I’m pulling for him. I know it’s a long shot and he always was. But if he does develop he would be a huge weapon in the league.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I’m not sure what the gotcha is here. Less than a year ago Daniel Jones was playing scout team safety for the Giants and then was on the Vikings practice squad. He was not significantly better than the people he was replaced with regardless of where they are now. Right or wrong, if Jones wasn’t a first round pick he may be out of the league at this point. Instead he’s a starter. And yes I recognize the same may apply to AR in the future. That doesn’t change the point about Jones performance.

A lot of quarterbacks get benched for a multitude of reasons, you’re never gonna convince me Tommy devito is-was-ever will be a better option at QB then Daniel Jones

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Butter

Come on, no one can take you seriously with that argument based on the super small sample.

Why not? It clearly shows how unbelievably bad Jones was in NY.