Colts name Daniel Jones the QB1

[YDFL Commish]

I truly didn't have a favorite in this competition.

That said, didn't Steichen do exactly what he said he was going to do, and pick the most consistent guy.

How would it have been taken if Steichen went to the podium and said that, yeah, Daniel was more consistent, but we went with AR because he has more upside? Upside means nothing, and may never be achieved.

Also, I believe that this decision, almost definitively proves out that Irsay was AR's biggest backer, and pulling the strings for him to start, when Mishew was the better option. I don't believe that Carlie will make those same mistakes.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Disappointed but not really surprised as Steichen pretty well tipped his hand by giving Jones the only preseason snaps with the (mostly) #1 offense. Like most of you I'm pretty skeptical on Jones and would have gone w/ AR. Since (at least from what I saw and read) neither of them really separated themselves IMO it makes sense to go w/ the higher upside guy.

Hopefully Jones proves us all wrong, but I am definitely concerned that Jones plays just well enough to get us to the playoffs, then we pay him, and that's followed by him completely shitting the bed like he did in NY.

Yeah it would be a different story if through camp Jones was clearly the better option. I’ve not seen any report suggesting that and I haven’t seen it in the preseason games either. You have the one play that is an issue, but reverse that play with the Jones fumbled snap (give jones the sack and AR the fumble) and I feel like certain people would use the fumble as an example of ARs issues. Jones has not been clearly better than AR. Maybe marginally better as a 6 year vet. He is who he is.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

I truly didn't have a favorite in this competition.

That said, didn't Steichen do exactly what he said he was going to do, and pick the most consistent guy.

How would it have been taken if Steichen went to the podium and said that, yeah, Daniel was more consistent, but we went with AR because he has more upside? Upside means nothing, and may never be achieved.

Also, I believe that this decision, almost definitively proves out that Irsay was AR's biggest backer, and pulling the strings for him to start, when Mishew was the better option. I don't believe that Carlie will make those same mistakes.

Flacco was also more consistent the AR. His record was worse with the same team.

The team had no business drafting a QB they have no desire to develop.

For several years I criticized Ballard for not making win now moves to help support Rivers or Wentz or AR. I was constantly told it made sense to wait until they had a proven QB. Ballard was a genius doing the right thing. Now all of a sudden we apparently have the QB in Jones who has somehow shown more than Rivers or Wentz did in their careers. Now the team has to go into win now mode at the expense of their #4 overall draft pick. Have to love the logic. No wonder this team hasn’t won the worse division in the league in the last 10 years.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I don’t see AP resigning here. He will likely be cheaper for his next team though.

I’m not sure they don’t see Mitchell as Pierces in house replacement.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by rm1369

Joe Flacco was a significantly better QB than Jones has ever shown. He was 4-1 as a starter the year before the Colts. Richardson was 6-5 last year. Jones was 2-8 last year and 1-5 the year before.

I’m glad after 9 years a Ballard led team is in win now mode. They’ve fucked this up to no end. Draft the rawest QB prospect ever, start him immediately, then start benching him for scrubs to “win” now in years 2 and 3. It’s perfect Ballard logic.

I’m not sure why Steichen making a stupid decision seems to give you confidence in that decision. This team has made tons of stupid decisions. How many worked out?

He wasn’t benched he got injured, I don’t consider his in season suspension a legitimate benching. I agree they botched the entire situation with AR, but they were trying to appease fans because at that point colts fans didn’t care they wanted a qb drafted at 4.

The logic is he’s regressed so you can’t keep forcing him out there to fail when you know he’s not ready. He hasn’t been the same since the shoulder injury in my opinion.

Ballard’s job is clearly on the line so maybe he’s taking an all in approach. I don’t know, I honestly don’t care, I’m sick of being so close to winning a lackluster Division when we have the talent.

Jonathan Taylor is a special back I don’t wanna sit here and watch him waste his career behind one of the best Olineman I’ve ever watched. Not to mention Jim passing away… fuck it the time is now!!!

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

I’m not sure they don’t see Mitchell as Pierces in house replacement.

Hopefully they aren’t here to make that decision.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

He wasn’t benched he got injured, I don’t consider his in season suspension a legitimate benching. I agree they botched the entire situation with AR, but they were trying to appease fans because at that point colts fans didn’t care they wanted a qb drafted at 4.

The logic is he’s regressed so you can’t keep forcing him out there to fail when you know he’s not ready. He hasn’t been the same since the shoulder injury in my opinion.

Ballard’s job is clearly on the line so maybe he’s taking an all in approach. I don’t know, I honestly don’t care, I’m sick of being so close to winning a lackluster Division when we have the talent.

Jonathan Taylor is a special back I don’t wanna sit here and watch him waste his career behind one of the best Olineman I’ve ever watched. Not to mention Jim passing away… fuck it the time is now!!!

He was benched for Flacco. I’m not sure how you can not count that. It was even the same “reason” as given now - supposedly Flacco gave them a better chance to win. AR only started again because Flacco sucked. The people defending the move said largely the same stuff you are saying now - he gives them a better chance to win and we need to make the playoffs.

Yes, I think Ballard’s job is on the line. That’s the only reason he signed any free agents and attempted to fill most holes. Didn’t do it in his other seasons in charge. Steichen’s is on the line as well. I’m sure that contributes to their decision to see Jones as the answer. It’s still a stupid decision and will help get them fired. That’s the only saving grace for me - finally moving on from them. Especially Ballard. Their best chance at retaining their job was development by AR. Going 8-9 with Jones will just show how inept they both are.

The team is wasting the careers of several really good players, but I’m not particularly a JT fan. Regardless, helping extend the mediocrity for the possibility of a couple extra wins doesn’t make sense to me. And hell, I’m not even sure Jones will win more than AR. For as bad as AR has been, he has a winning record as a starter. And that’s with the BS defense and TE room Ballard gave him.

[IndyNorm]

Yeah it would be a different story if through camp Jones was clearly the better option. I’ve not seen any report suggesting that and I haven’t seen it in the preseason games either. You have the one play that is an issue, but reverse that play with the Jones fumbled snap (give jones the sack and AR the fumble) and I feel like certain people would use the fumble as an example of ARs issues. Jones has not been clearly better than AR. Maybe marginally better as a 6 year vet. He is who he is.

Exactly. If we could definitely say that Jones outperformed AR and not just maybe by a little bit then going with Jones wouldn't be an issue. Since they're been pretty close then you would think it makes sense to go w/ the high upside guy.

Originally Posted by rm1369

I don’t see AP resigning here. He will likely be cheaper for his next team though.

Yeah, you're probably right. I was thinking he'll probably end up having a season similar to '23 w/ Jones throwing to him, but if that happens then he'll probably want to go someplace else on a show me deal to try have a big year to cash in from.

I’m not sure they don’t see Mitchell as Pierces in house replacement.

I'm sure they drafted Mitchell with that thought, but they can't be happy with his non-stop biz decisions his rookie year and his dumbfuckery in the preseason.

[nate505]

Originally Posted by apballin

Jonathan Taylor is a special back I don’t wanna sit here and watch him waste his career behind one of the best Olineman I’ve ever watched. Not to mention Jim passing away… fuck it the time is now!!!

I mean, if the time is now, why not get a QB that's much better than Daniel Jones. Like go after Geno Smith or Justin Fields or someone. Hell, I'd rather them have got Drew Lock. Or why not at least go after a QB in the 2nd round of the draft or so.

Maybe Jones will prove me wrong. God I'm hoping he does, I want something to root for this year. But the Colts don't feel special enough to do a lot with just mediocre QB play, and it's hard to envision Jones being better than that. Hell, he got benched for Tommy DeVito in his career.

Richardson may give you horrible QB play. In fact, the odds are he probably will. But I'd rather roll the dice on the off chance you hit snakeyes and he goes out there and throws 60 yard bombs to players or runs for 200 yards a game.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by apballin

I don’t get all the hate on Jones, just like I’m baffled by Colts fans love affair with AR. Jones gives the team the best chance to win now. AR can’t even protect himself out there.

I’m excited about this season, in my opinion this decision took balls of steel from Steichen, he knows who the fans wanted in there yet he walked in there and said Jones is the starter for the season. He’s confident in Jones and if this team comes out winning fans will jump back on the bandwagon real quick

I felt that way early on and hoped a fresh start would bring out some of the potential I have saw from him at times in the past, but this preseason has brought me back to Earth. He has looked really mediocre so far, and that is being kind! He could still prove everyone wrong, and maybe he is killing it in practice? I’m still excited for the season, I just hope I still feel that way by mid season!