2023 Draft QBs

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Yeah, anybody but Richardson.

The "anybody but"s are Levis and Hooker for me.

[apballin]

Better be one of the 4 chromeburn listed… my list stops there anything but the guys after the top 4

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

That's what RM and I were saying a few pages back. Good score doesn't mean great QB. But bad score means probably not a great QB. I wonder if this was the same quote RM was referencing.

So it is a percentile, not a score. Still a monster gap according to those quotes.

By the way, I assumed the S2 only started in the past couple of years after they ditched the Wonderlic. But they've been using it for seven years. Does anybody know if more past score have been posted?

I'd love to see the correlation.

It really only started to see the spotlight because Brock Purdy came out of nowhere and people were asking how? Then someone pointed out his high S2 score. But you got the gist. 7 years of data. Been busts with high scores, but no successful low scores.

I still don’t know if the Stroud’s 18 is his total score or just one of his scores. I assume the teams have all this data so the leaks are interesting. Is someone trying to get him to drop? Or maybe a team saying hey we’re gonna pass on him for a reason.

[Lov2fish]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Imagine thinking Trevor Lawrence is going to be better than all the QBs in this class...

Given the allegedly top 4 in this years draft that is a real possibility. Your guy has the mental capacity of a potato apparently. Two of the other 3 leave a lot of room for improvement. If Young was 6'3" or 6'4" and 220-225 this would be a moot point for any conversation on who is the best QB in this draft.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

Given the allegedly top 4 in this years draft that is a real possibility. Your guy has the mental capacity of a potato apparently. Two of the other 3 leave a lot of room for improvement. If Young was 6'3" or 6'4" and 220-225 this would be a moot point for any conversation on who is the best QB in this draft.

The test creator of S2 said the leaked scores are inaccurate, and the film shows CJ Stroud as very capable of processing quickly and reading defenses well. Film trumps all, the measurables are there to help interpret it, but the evaluation is done by watching the games. I don't know that I'd rank Young ahead of Stroud even if he were that height and weight, because there's evidence both ways. Watch Stroud vs. Georgia and Young vs. Texas and then tell me Young is the better QB. If you do, I know you're biased.

[apballin]

Stroud played in snoop dogs little league in California, just an interesting tidbit

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

The test creator of S2 said the leaked scores are inaccurate, and the film shows CJ Stroud as very capable of processing quickly and reading defenses well. Film trumps all, the measurables are there to help interpret it, but the evaluation is done by watching the games. I don't know that I'd rank Young ahead of Stroud even if he were that height and weight, because there's evidence both ways. Watch Stroud vs. Georgia and Young vs. Texas and then tell me Young is the better QB. If you do, I know you're biased.

You make it sound as if the evaluation of game tape is easy and obvious. If that were the case busts wouldn’t be so common. Just because you see it doesn’t mean others do. If Stroud is even available for the Colts that means at least one pro GM didn’t see it as obviously as you apparently have.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by rm1369

You make it sound as if the evaluation of game tape is easy and obvious. If that were the case busts wouldn’t be so common. Just because you see it doesn’t mean others do. If Stroud is even available for the Colts that means at least one pro GM didn’t see it as obviously as you apparently have.

Far from it, evaluation of film is difficult. That's why 50% is a high hit rate in the NFL draft. Coming away from one draft with four plus starters or impact role players is a great draft, it's why Ballard is considered a great drafter, he's done that consistently. That's also why the combine and pro days exist, to give data to compare to the film. But the film is the deciding factor of any evaluation.

And of course not everyone is going to see it the same way. If you saw the big board of 10 different teams, you'd see no less than 4 different rankings of the QBs, and my money would be on more than that. Some teams have Richardson as the #1 QB, I'm sure. There's probably even someone who has Levis as the #1 QB.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Far from it, evaluation of film is difficult. That's why 50% is a high hit rate in the NFL draft. Coming away from one draft with four plus starters or impact role players is a great draft, it's why Ballard is considered a great drafter, he's done that consistently. That's also why the combine and pro days exist, to give data to compare to the film. But the film is the deciding factor of any evaluation.

And of course not everyone is going to see it the same way. If you saw the big board of 10 different teams, you'd see no less than 4 different rankings of the QBs, and my money would be on more than that. Some teams have Richardson as the #1 QB, I'm sure. There's probably even someone who has Levis as the #1 QB.

Which would be one of the reasons people would use other tools like the S2 test. It is tough without having the historical data on the testing, but to me the idea behind the tests make sense. And it makes sense to me that a poor score should be a huge red flag. We don’t know for sure that the test is very predictive and we don’t know for sure Stroud scored poorly, but if he’s available to the Colts I think it’s likely due to the testing.

[YDFL Commish]

I can't remember where I read it, but in the article a scout said that Stroud's S2 test did match his tape.

So which do I believe the future HOF GM in Dammy or the scout?