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Old 01-15-2023, 08:27 PM
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Frank was never bad at coaching offense until this season. His offenses were always top half of the league at minimum.

The struggles on offense this year were CAUSED BY THE AWFUL OLINE, not because Frank forgot how to coach.

Jesus tap dancing Christ.

Have you not watched any games before this season?
Our offense was dog ass last year sans the stretch of games where Taylor went absolutely bonkers.

Lest we forget, we were 0-3 and 1-4 through 5 last year (hmmm a good coach constantly coming out of the gate with horrible starts... yeah that's not really what constitutes "good"). We were averaging a whopping 250 yards passing per game and a LOT of us were griping about how bad the passing game was and were bitching because Ballard had not stocked the WR room.

We then got the running game going (credit to Frank for at least finally recognizing we had a remarkable talent in the backfield and his golden boy was a complete fraud so he had to do something different). In the 8 game stretch in the middle of the season, we averaged 175 yards rushing per game and we did it against some really solid defenses as well. Let me also point out that during that stretch, we dominated the NFL in defensive turnovers with 2.5 per game (Leonard was going insane and pushing hard for DPOY). So our winning streak when everyone was saying we should be feared, had a high number of short fields to work with and allowed us to get into a lot of clock killing possessions where it was load JT up and just smash em'.

All of us recall the insanely bad offense in the last 2 games, but we should probably really look at the final 4 in total. In those final FOUR games, we averaged a comical 137 yards passing per game! We didn't necessarily burn the lights up on the running dial either as the average fell by nearly 40 yards per game from that incredible 8 game stretch.

His offense was not some prolific juggernaut last year. But, many thought the problems at the end of the year were:
1- Wentz
1A- Wentz
1B- Wentz
2- WR
3- Pass Blocking

Jump into this year, and instead it could easily be interpreted that the real problem was teams knew all we had was a running game and were going to sit on that knowing his scheme wasn't gonna do shit through the air. One could easily read into that that Frank Reich WAS bad at offense and basically his play book was understood and easily defended.

Different QB, same disastrous result. Insert another QB, more horrible results. No explosiveness at all. Weird gimmicky shit in clutch moments. Tons and tons of throws into the flat for 2 yard gains; shit it seemed like some of our plays the check down was the 1st option in the progression. Tons of shotgun runs into the B gap with one of the most explosive runners in the game NEVER seeing an outside pitch for some fucking reason despite having what WAS one of the games best ever pulling guards.

Now, I will give you that the Rivers year, was far better than either of the last 2. But I will also point out that during the final 4 games of that year, we averaged a meager 217 passing yards a game. Was that because the league had adjusted and was just sitting on his passing scheme?

To me, Frank was good, when he had Luck, who was going to make any OC, gonna make me, look good- outside of the fairly common picks that were part of his aggressive nature, Luck was a phenom. Luck was a Josh Allen level of QB- he could do incredible things.

But Frank with average or sub par talent, nah man, nothing to substantiate him being good at anything really, and thus he doesn't have a job.
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Old 01-16-2023, 10:59 AM
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You can't simply blame one or the other. Ballard admitted they fucked up thinking Nelson, Kelly, and Smith could "absorb" Pryor and Pinter, as he put it. Well none of them played up to standard so that plan failed impressively.

But everything we've seen from those two indicates a lot of collaboration. They both were good with the above plan. And they were both wrong. One didn't fuck the other, which is what everyone wants to make it out to be.
Could be wrong, but I have a hard time believing Reich would have been happy w/ that plan considering how critical the LT position is. Even if Nelson, Kelly, and Smith would have played worth a shit this year the OL probably still would have struggled due to not having a good LT (although not near as bad as what happened I'm sure).
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Could be wrong, but I have a hard time believing Reich would have been happy w/ that plan considering how critical the LT position is. Even if Nelson, Kelly, and Smith would have played worth a shit this year the OL probably still would have struggled due to not having a good LT (although not near as bad as what happened I'm sure).
Well, what do we mean by "happy"? Until we get another anchor like Castonzo, you can't really be happy. But we can't treat it like it's just a matter of running to the grocery store because we're out of eggs. They didn't like the FA tackle market for whatever reason (money, age, injury, etc.).

With how collaborative and open to input they seem to be... I have an equally hard time believing that Ballard and Reich didn't watch tape together and determine Pryor did alright (as Ballard said before the season). I can't see either of them not signing off on the plan to roll with Pryor, draft a kid they like, and have him take over as that anchor. In the meantime, three studs on the OL from the previous few years would take up the slack.

They were wrong. Pryor was awful. Couple that with the most INSANE lack of ball security I've personally ever witnessed and you have a true disaster. Hopefully the vets return to form. If so, I think at the end of an ugly road, we may actually have that anchor at LT.
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Old 01-16-2023, 04:44 PM
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Well, what do we mean by "happy"? Until we get another anchor like Castonzo, you can't really be happy. But we can't treat it like it's just a matter of running to the grocery store because we're out of eggs. They didn't like the FA tackle market for whatever reason (money, age, injury, etc.).

With how collaborative and open to input they seem to be... I have an equally hard time believing that Ballard and Reich didn't watch tape together and determine Pryor did alright (as Ballard said before the season). I can't see either of them not signing off on the plan to roll with Pryor, draft a kid they like, and have him take over as that anchor. In the meantime, three studs on the OL from the previous few years would take up the slack.

They were wrong. Pryor was awful. Couple that with the most INSANE lack of ball security I've personally ever witnessed and you have a true disaster. Hopefully the vets return to form. If so, I think at the end of an ugly road, we may actually have that anchor at LT.
Maybe happy is the wrong word. I just find it hard to believe that people in the Colts organization (Reich, etc.) didn't think that handing the starting LT spot to Pryor was a bad idea. There were a lot of us on the board who felt it was a really bad move, and you would think guys like Reich would have forgotten more about football than schlubs like us know about the game. Of course you would also think Ballard would know the importance of the LT position, but based on his actions and comments I don't think he does.

At any rate, water under the bridge I suppose. Hopefully Raimann is the answer at LT and the OL gets back to playing at least decent football again next year. We'll see if Ballard has learned his lesson and at least hedges the position, but I kind of doubt it.
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No surprise. He wasn’t going to leave Michigan. I don’t know why some thought he would.
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Jeff Saturday or Leslie Frazier here we go.
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Jeff Saturday or Leslie Frazier here we go.
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That doesn't mean shit (Harbaugh saying he is staying in Michigan). People change their minds all the time. Nobody has any idea what people are thinking or even who will end up being the best head coach out of the bunch. It is a crap shoot (except for proven failures like Saturday).
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