quick thoughts on the terrible titans game

[albany ed]

What are the odds that Jacoby outplays Carson next week?

[DragonTails]

Originally Posted by albany ed

what are the odds that jacoby outplays carson next week?

-300

[MeSayDayo]

This is proof week #3 in a row of abysmal play calling from Reich and co. and the third week that I am calling for Frank to relinquish his play calling duties.

-Biggest crime in this game was not feeding JT, who mostly looked really good. Like you all have said, 10 carries for our best offensive weapon is inexcusable, especially because this game was never out of hand enough to justify it.

-Wentz was okay given his limitations. He was okay in game one or two because of shitty O-line play. We will likely have excuses for this guy until we run out of excuses and he proves that he is just that guy- slow to process, choreographs his reads and body movements, plays hero ball and is VERY injury prone. He is a very, very poor timing passer and is virtually the opposite of what we had in Phillip Rivers last season. How long are we going to give Wentz a free pass until we accept that maybe he is just an average QB? For years, we watched Manning put up MVP games and numbers and production with a shit O-line, Same as Luck....Why does Carson and his fragile body/ego get a pass? This guy is clearly not good enough to overcome an average roster and may only ball out if everything around him is absolutely perfect, even his own confidence and brain. Maybe we keep him around to facilitate the Sunday Morning Mass session for Frank and the boys?

-This front office and coaching staff should have at least sat Wentz for yesterdays game....maybe even all three. We are getting half measure answers that we needed clear answers from at this point. If we like Wentz and are committing to him as the guy for the future (which is crazy given his injury tendencies) and I think we will, since we invested so much capital in him. We are NUTS not to be sitting him for a few games to rest up, practice a ton, get his timing and reads down. If there is any chance he isn't the guy (and I think its a foregone conclusion), we need to sit him for 3 games straight and get our pick back. We must. Call it bad gamesmanship, call it what you want...but this squad has proven so far that they are WAY further away from competing than we thought. We need to take drastic measures to make a quick, new rebuild with the limited assets that we have, weather we think Wentz is our 10 year plan or 2 year plan. If he's our 10 year plan, we need way more talent for him to produce and need that first rounder. If he's our 2 year plan, we need need his replacement and that first rounder to do so. The way I see it, we need that first rounder regardless and need to swiftly make decisions to plan accordingly.

Let Brady call the plays. Sit Wentz. Play Eason until he's so bad that you can cut him. Ride out the shit campaign and plan a half measure rebuild so we don't need to full on rebuild. This might require us to trade a DL or QN....I'd say lets trade Wentz but I honestly believe nobody would touch his broken ass with a 10 foot pole. I think we plan ahead with Wentz as our 2 year or longer bridge/backup QB.

And in the offseason I would VERY seriously consider pursuing ARod from the packers (even though he is a douche), who will cost us nothing but cap hit to acquire. Hell, and Devante Adams too. Let 10 players walk and suddenly we have a ton of cap space again. Your thoughts?

I am at a point where I want to trade everybody of value. JT for a first or second maybe?

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by MeSayDayo

Let Brady call the plays. Sit Wentz. Play Eason until he's so bad that you can cut him. Ride out the shit campaign and plan a half measure rebuild so we don't need to full on rebuild. This might require us to trade a DL or QN....I'd say lets trade Wentz but I honestly believe nobody would touch his broken ass with a 10 foot pole. I think we plan ahead with Wentz as our 2 year or longer bridge/backup QB.

I agree, sit Wentz until he's at least 100% healthy. The season is lost, I hate the idea of losing with Wentz so the Eagles can get our #1. Nobody wants Wentz, we were the only team pursuing him.

Originally Posted by MeSayDayo

And in the offseason I would VERY seriously consider pursuing ARod from the packers (even though he is a douche), who will cost us nothing but cap hit to acquire. Hell, and Devante Adams too. Let 10 players walk and suddenly we have a ton of cap space again. Your thoughts?

Rodgers won't come to Indy. He'll want to go to a big name market like NY Giants or Miami or Denver.

Originally Posted by MeSayDayo

I am at a point where I want to trade everybody of value. JT for a first or second maybe?

JT and Hines (if used correctly) are the only entertaining players on this team, and after all, it may be a business to management, but to me and most fans, it's entertainment.

[Oldcolt]

I disagree with most of my fellow freaks. To me, this is all about who has been injured on the offensive side. Defensively we have a 20 million dollar a year linebacker who plays like a free agent rookie. Do any of you honestly think he regressed or do you think he no longer is dominant because he doesn't have mobility from an ankle injury? For the last few years our offensive line was dominant because we had three dominant players Kelly (maybe not dominant but damn good), Smith (nobody got near the qb from his side for two years) and of course Nelson. None of these guys are playing or if they are they are playing like a shell of themselves. The only legitimate (hopefully) deep threat at WR hasn't even seen the field and the quarterback is injured, which everyone seems to think is his problem, not the fact that he is getting killed by shit offensive line play due to injuries. Wentz is injury prone but Luck was just tough. Bullshit. They both got killed by their offensive lines. I'm on board with sitting Wentz until he is healthy. For me the biggest screw up has been the abysmal play of our defensive ends, Ballard has really screwed that up, doesn't appear to be able to evaluate them worth a shit. Shit season without a number one draft choice since the Colts will not sit Wentz. Reich is way overrated as a coach. Another good guy that wants love in his locker so he fires Guge because he is an asshole. An asshole that had this line playing at its best. Winning isn't the priority for this team and these guys. I say this because so many of the so called leaders are anti vaxx, considering the rules the league has put down you are putting your personal shit way before the team. This is the least likable Colt team for me in my memory. They make it way to easy not to care, unfortunately I still do.

[DragonTails]

Most of what everyone is saying is true.

However, we could easily be 2-1 if we weren't 29th in the red zone. Better play calling and a few more TD's instead of FGs/no points and none of this other stuff would matter. That what happens when you win.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Another good guy that wants love in his locker so he fires Guge because he is an asshole. An asshole that had this line playing at its best.

Eh, I think a lot of people overrate Guge.

Even if he was renewed for another year, I doubt he would have made it past year 2.

Take a look at his coaching history.

7 of his last 8 coaching stops lasted 1 year. The 8th stop lasted 2 years.

I think that Big Q really liked him as a person but even he admitted that they didn't work on technique as much as he did in college and that his technique was starting to get sloppy by the end of the year with Guge.

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I disagree with most of my fellow freaks. To me, this is all about who has been injured on the offensive side. Defensively we have a 20 million dollar a year linebacker who plays like a free agent rookie. Do any of you honestly think he regressed or do you think he no longer is dominant because he doesn't have mobility from an ankle injury? For the last few years our offensive line was dominant because we had three dominant players Kelly (maybe not dominant but damn good), Smith (nobody got near the qb from his side for two years) and of course Nelson. None of these guys are playing or if they are they are playing like a shell of themselves. The only legitimate (hopefully) deep threat at WR hasn't even seen the field and the quarterback is injured, which everyone seems to think is his problem, not the fact that he is getting killed by shit offensive line play due to injuries. Wentz is injury prone but Luck was just tough. Bullshit. They both got killed by their offensive lines. I'm on board with sitting Wentz until he is healthy. For me the biggest screw up has been the abysmal play of our defensive ends, Ballard has really screwed that up, doesn't appear to be able to evaluate them worth a shit. Shit season without a number one draft choice since the Colts will not sit Wentz. Reich is way overrated as a coach. Another good guy that wants love in his locker so he fires Guge because he is an asshole. An asshole that had this line playing at its best. Winning isn't the priority for this team and these guys. I say this because so many of the so called leaders are anti vaxx, considering the rules the league has put down you are putting your personal shit way before the team. This is the least likable Colt team for me in my memory. They make it way to easy not to care, unfortunately I still do.

I am more along these lines. Someone above mentioned "why are we giving wentz a pass?" I dont see it that way. He is playing kinda like I expected, pretty good but not great. Given some time and playmakers he would be good enough for us to compete. Not given time and playmakers, well he isnt good enough to overcome that. The situation is exacerbated by the injuries/bad play/bad play calling. If we were operating with the dominant line and running game we are used to, I think wentz would be good enough, but I never expected him to be transcendent.

[HoosierinFL]

The more I think about it, the more I worry about this defense. It isn't as banged up as the offense.

I was willing to let the Seattle game go, we know that Wilson is good and dangerous. And I was willing to let the Rams game go, because everyone says McVay is an offensive genius and now he has Stafford. And we were even competitive in that one. But now we've given up 25 points and looked hapless vs the Titans?

Best case scenario right now is being 5-5 after the Jags game on Nov 14. That isn't terrible. But given the schedule its hard for me to see more than 6 or 7 wins in total. Thats just terrible.

[rcubed]

Originally Posted by rm1369

It means that teams who think they can compete often make different decisions than those rebuilding. Ballard makes decisions like he’s rebuilding. He isn’t filling holes to compete in a given year, he’s prioritizing the future with nearly every decision. Making so many decisions for the future has an affect on the present.

DE is a good example this season. How often do you think truly competitive teams go into the season without an edge rusher with double digit sacks? I’m not talking about for a season, I mean for a career!! I’d have to bet it’s not often. Yet, Ballard was comfortable with it. He prioritized getting his growing collection of athletes reps at DE. Long term over short term.

After drafting a 1st round DE he used his 2nd rounder on another DE that will be lucky to see the field this year. He did this instead of filling one of the other holes on the roster. Could be seen as a great move 2 years for now, but provides no help this year. Long term over short term.

Building a team is different than acquiring talent. Ballard leaves glaring holes in the roster every year. He does this because shorter term solutions have a cost he so far isn’t willing to pay. That’s more typical of a rebuilding team than a competing team.

yep, I am souring on ballard's plan. I liked it initially, but it hasnt come to fruition like it should have. Whether thats lucks retirement, too much future planning, not getting enough good FA talent , a mix of all... we are no longer trending it the right direction.