Colts name Daniel Jones the QB1

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

What I thought we were looking for in AR was improvement, not that he somehow magically learned how to read defenses without actually reading defenses in games. AR clearly was better than when we last saw him. I thought we were going to take our lumps and try and develop the man. So after 15 games that's done? When Steichen now says what he wants is a great game manager who can identify and read defenses, how is it even possible for AR to compete with a 6 year veteran if that is now what you want? And if that was so important to Steichen how in the hell did AR beat out Minshew and Ryan? It seems like a rudderless ship just hoping that something works. No real direction, no plan.

That’s my biggest issue - it is clear that there is no real plan. It’s a consistent theme with Ballard where the only plan seems to be to stay flexible and not commit. If they wanted AR to learn to be a QB in practice and develop slowly that would have been fine. Let him sit behind a Minshew or Jones level QB until he can actually beat them out. The team competes as best it can in the meantime. Or they could start him immediately with the idea he needs reps to develop. In that case you are committing to the ups and downs until it is 1000% clear he isn’t it. In this case they should have brought in a veteran MENTOR QB for him to teach him how to prepare. Someone who knows they are on the team solely to help develop AR. You don’t worry about their performance on the field because it doesn’t matter. They’ve done neither of those. There is no plan. The team has wasted two more years and likely have actually hurt ARs development just to still have no idea what they want or where they are going at QB.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

There is something limiting AR, maybe it’s brains, maybe it’s work ethic, maybe it’s inexperience and he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. Naive has been used a lot and I wonder if Jim forced them to play him.

Of course Jim Forced Steichen to play AR. Jim also probably forced Ballard to draft him. God love Jim, but in his last few years on the planet he became a meddling SOB.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by rm1369

They’ve done neither of those. There is no plan.

Ballard's entire tenure has been to snake oil a fucking plan to anyone and everyone that has held decision making authority- fucking repulsive. Every single day he remains employed by this organization is criminal!

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Yes, and neither one of us knows that Jones did that more than Richardson did this off-season.

We don't, true. But we do have some compelling circumstantial evidence in the fact that he lost out to Jones, especially considering Jones just got here and learned the system.

It's either evidence that he A.) didn't work as hard in that aspect, OR B.) he did work really hard but it still wasn't enough to equal Jones' understanding and execution.

Hopefully it was the latter (which I believe it was) and he can still blossom for us. If it was the former, he'll be gone.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

A lot of quarterbacks get benched for a multitude of reasons, you’re never gonna convince me Tommy devito is-was-ever will be a better option at QB then Daniel Jones

I have no idea, never cared enough to watch DeVito play. I’ve seen Jones though and haven’t been impressed. And I know statistically you can’t really distinguish between the two. To me that says much more about Jones after 6 years than it does DeVito. Switch their pedigrees and Jones is the scrub instead of the supposed savior.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by apballin

A lot of quarterbacks get benched for a multitude of reasons, you’re never gonna convince me Tommy devito is-was-ever will be a better option at QB then Daniel Jones

I never said that Devito was an overall better QB than Jones. The reason I have brought him up is to counter the argument that the only reason Jones sucked in NY was b/c of the talent around him. The fact that a rookie UDFA PS guy came in and performed better than Jones w/ the same players around him proves that Jones was very much part of the problem as well.

Also, to answer your question: Devito is still w/ the Giants as opposed to Jones who the Giants ate a $22M cap hit to run out of town.

Of course Jim Forced Steichen to play AR. Jim also probably forced Ballard to draft him. God love Jim, but in his last few years on the planet he became a meddling SOB.

I'm sure Jim approved of drafting AR, but Ballard w/out a doubt wanted to draft AR. His expressions when a team traded up to #3 and when he found out it was the Texans says it all. He went from looking like he was going to cry to jumping for joy. If you looked at Jim's tweets around the draft I actually think he preferred Levis (which obviously would have been a CF as well).

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Jim had forced Steichen to play AR. Another thought is that AR was showing to be further along than expected so Steichen decided to let him play, which actually tracks to AR's performance in his rookie year before his shoulder injury.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

We don't, true. But we do have some compelling circumstantial evidence in the fact that he lost out to Jones, especially considering Jones just got here and learned the system.

It's either evidence that he A.) didn't work as hard in that aspect, OR B.) he did work really hard but it still wasn't enough to equal Jones' understanding and execution.

Hopefully it was the latter (which I believe it was) and he can still blossom for us. If it was the former, he'll be gone.

I think it’s the former. I mean I think he has worked harder and has gotten better in that regard. But I think it’s likely that the 6 year vet, who is likely on his last chance to stick as a starter, worked harder. For many that will be an indictment of AR. It isn’t to me only because I think It’s always been clear AR doesn’t know what it takes to be an NFL starting QB. I don’t think he’s lazy. I don’t think he’s entitled. I think he’s immature and naive. The team signed up to teach him that when they invested the #4 pick in him. There was nothing more important to the franchise than ARs development. And I have never heard anything to suggest they went out of their way to develop him. I don’t even see any indication they had an actual plan. They’ve never brought in a mentor for him. Which makes sense I guess because Ballard has never believed in vets mentoring guys. One of the many things that told me Ballard was an idiot and would take the team no where.

[YDFL Commish]

If Jones can have a similar season to Rivers, when he was here, and add 500 yds rushing, the offense will play winning football.

passing yds. 4000+
passing TD's 24+
interceptions 12-
completion pct. 65%+
fumbles 5-
rushing yds. 500+

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

If Jones can have a similar season to Rivers, when he was here, and add 500 yds rushing, the offense will play winning football.

passing yds. 4000+
passing TD's 24+
interceptions 12-
completion pct. 65%+
fumbles 5-
rushing yds. 500+

I’m skeptical Jones can do that, but ok let’s say that happens. Then what? Do you commit to Jones and that level of QB play long term? Or do you let Jones leave to whatever team overpays for that production and continue on the Ballard QB carousel?

I’m curious why after years of defending Ballard not trying to win, always waiting another year to fix something major, for some guys this year suddenly winning the max amount of games possible is the only thing that matters. Future be damned.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

If Jones can have a similar season to Rivers, when he was here, and add 500 yds rushing, the offense will play winning football.

passing yds. 4000+
passing TD's 24+
interceptions 12-
completion pct. 65%+
fumbles 5-
rushing yds. 500+

And if Jones plays as well as Manning or Luck did in their prime then we'll be SB contenders.

I’m skeptical Jones can do that, but ok let’s say that happens. Then what? Do you commit to Jones and that level of QB play long term? Or do you let Jones leave to whatever team overpays for that production and continue on the Ballard QB carousel?

If Jones plays as well as this year as Rivers did in '20 then I'll be perfectly happy w/ us signing Jones to an extension and shipping AR off. Like you though, I seriously doubt that happens. I think at best we get Jones "good" year in NY passing and his career average in rushing:

3,200 yds, 63% completion %, 15/5 TD/Int; ~500 yds rushing and 4 TDs. Which is maybe just good enough to squeak us into the playoffs.