JMV reporting update on Luck

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

Yeah. Alr is pretty damn incorrigible

Hah, you went with me over Dammy on this one?

I said it then, I'll say it now. We should have kept Manning, traded the rights to Luck for multiple picks. Built good lines with those picks. Maybe won another S.B. then handed the reins to a good balanced team to a solid, competent if not spectacular QB.
That's the formula the Texans have followed to regulate the Colts to also ran in the weak AFC South. Playoffs for them this year, 5-11 for us
Now we have a poorly coached, no talent with few exceptions, continually rebuilding franchise once again wasting a Franchise QB's career

[Spike]

Originally Posted by testcase448

I said it then, I'll say it now. We should have kept Manning, traded the rights to Luck for multiple picks. Built good lines with those picks. Maybe won another S.B. then handed the reins to a good balanced team to a solid, competent if not spectacular QB.
That's the formula the Texans have followed to regulate the Colts to also ran in the weak AFC South. Playoffs for them this year, 5-11 for us
Now we have a poorly coached, no talent with few exceptions, continually rebuilding franchise once again wasting a Franchise QB's career

Keeping Manning was never really a viable option. His cap hit and the complete lack of talent on the Colts was never going to produce another SB. His injured neck was also a great concern. Denver got completely destroyed by Seattle in the 1st SB with Manning at the helm and they had a hell of a lot more talent than the Colts. The 2nd SB with Denver, Manning had an incredible defense, something the Colts didn't and don't have now. Manning rode his 2nd SB win because of Denver's outstanding defense. Hell, he even got benched for awhile.

The Texans haven't accomplished shit, how many SB wins do they have?

The problem wasn't letting Manning go to take Luck. The problem lies with Irsay, Griggs, and Pags. They are the 3 fucking stooges. Griggs and Pags built the team wrong trying to win immediately. Should have built up the offensive and defensive lines instead of wasting 1st round picks on guys like Dorsett, Werner and trading a 1st for TR. Luck is pretty much the only reason the Colts have been a playoff contender.

Lastly, teams without a pretty damn good QB are screwed when it comes to winning SB's. With all of the Texan's talent, they haven't even sniffed the SB because of their shitty QB play. Same with the Jackoffs.

Ask the Brown, Bills, and Vikings how hard it is to find a quality QB.

As far as trading Luck for multiple picks, based on Griggs and Pags draft picking, I wouldn't have liked those odds.

[Brylok]

Originally Posted by testcase448

I said it then, I'll say it now. We should have kept Manning, traded the rights to Luck for multiple picks. Built good lines with those picks. Maybe won another S.B. then handed the reins to a good balanced team to a solid, competent if not spectacular QB.
That's the formula the Texans have followed to regulate the Colts to also ran in the weak AFC South. Playoffs for them this year, 5-11 for us
Now we have a poorly coached, no talent with few exceptions, continually rebuilding franchise once again wasting a Franchise QB's career

Fuck the Texans. Go away, baitin'.

[DrSpaceman]

Originally Posted by testcase448

I said it then, I'll say it now. We should have kept Manning, traded the rights to Luck for multiple picks. Built good lines with those picks. Maybe won another S.B. then handed the reins to a good balanced team to a solid, competent if not spectacular QB.
That's the formula the Texans have followed to regulate the Colts to also ran in the weak AFC South. Playoffs for them this year, 5-11 for us
Now we have a poorly coached, no talent with few exceptions, continually rebuilding franchise once again wasting a Franchise QB's career

Yes, because we all aim to be the Texans, a chronic 9-10 win team, enough to take a weak division, and then an early playoff exit with no real chance for a title.

[DrSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

People bitched about Dungy as well, said his game management and time management wasn't good enough and that he was always "outcoached" (see: outcheated) by Belicheat. Don't pretend the standard here is reasonable or set by the owner, because it is clearly neither of those things when there have been many years that the team has won divisions, conferences, etc. and the owner has indicated satisfaction with his coaching staff where many fans here were completely dissatisfied with the results and wanted rid of the coaching staff. Don Shula wouldn't have met this board's standard.

Even if that's true about Dungy, 3/4 times with the coach and for the majority of the last 20 years, the fans have been right to be dissatisfied with the coaching of this team.

Most of the criticism of Dungy was not winning in the playoffs, same as with Manning.

Originally Posted by DrSpaceman

Yes, because we all aim to be the Texans, a chronic 9-10 win team, enough to take a weak division, and then an early playoff exit with no real chance for a title.

How many years in a row have we gotten to 9-10 wins?
Oh wait...

We'll be doing good to get five this year. The "bad team with a great QB" thing only works with a bullet proof QB. Luck isn't that QB

Originally Posted by Brylok

Fuck the Texans. Go away, baitin'.

Don't like the Texans, but we will be looking up at them for another decade unless things change.
I keep hearing this "young o-line will jell" line. And the retread rejects on D will make a big improvement, then I watched the Cowboys beat them like rented mules.

Originally Posted by Spike

Keeping Manning was never really a viable option. His cap hit and the complete lack of talent on the Colts was never going to produce another SB. His injured neck was also a great concern. Denver got completely destroyed by Seattle in the 1st SB with Manning at the helm and they had a hell of a lot more talent than the Colts. The 2nd SB with Denver, Manning had an incredible defense, something the Colts didn't and don't have now. Manning rode his 2nd SB win because of Denver's outstanding defense. Hell, he even got benched for awhile.

So Denver built a good defense the year after Seattle destroyed them, but the Colts could not have... ?

Originally Posted by Spike

The Texans haven't accomplished shit, how many SB wins do they have?

And the Colts have accomplished what since Manning?

Originally Posted by Spike

The problem wasn't letting Manning go to take Luck. The problem lies with Irsay, Griggs, and Pags.

I recall on this board Pagano and Griggs were hailed as saviors

Originally Posted by Spike

Should have built up the offensive and defensive lines instead of wasting 1st round picks on guys like Dorsett, Werner and trading a 1st for TR. Luck is pretty much the only reason the Colts have been a playoff contender.

Originally Posted by Spike

As far as trading Luck for multiple picks, based on Griggs and Pags draft picking, I wouldn't have liked those odds.

That's a valid point, but it's hindsight

How many teams with great QBs win Super Bowls with a lousy team around them?

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by DrSpaceman

Even if that's true about Dungy, 3/4 times with the coach and for the majority of the last 20 years, the fans have been right to be dissatisfied with the coaching of this team.

Most of the criticism of Dungy was not winning in the playoffs, same as with Manning.

Caldwell has had success elsewhere and Pagano has 0 losing seasons, 3 playoff appearances, 2 division titles, and 52 career wins in 5 seasons, so I'm not so sure I buy your "3/4 times" argument.