Ryan benched?

[rcubed]

Originally Posted by MeSayDayo

I wouldn't be shocked at all to see any of our star O-lineman get traded. None of them are playing up to their monetary value.

But who will take underperforming overpaid Olinemen?

[rcubed]

Originally Posted by MeSayDayo

Looking at this realistically, is there any chance in hell that Frank lasts this season?
Does anyone else think that this move basically forecasts his departure in Indianapolis, staying consistent with Irsay's refusal to fire a coach mid season?
I do.
The more I think about it, and also considering his obvious miscues so far, I think Ballard survives the slaughtering.
I still would take a GM that can consistently hit on mid round picks over most of the rest of the league that typically doesn't. If THAT is your floor as a GM, I will take it. The frugal spending in FA? You can fix that, but I am glad that Ballard hasn't spent big in FA because our team has proven we aren't contenders. Not until we get our QB.
I also think he has learned a big lesson on roster building that I don't expect him to do again with us if he sticks around.
Ultimately, I think Ballard has his core philosophies that he likes to stick to- pay your own guys, build your team through the draft with measurable and character prospects, and focus on the trenches.
If Ballard truly is a guy that rewards based on merit, then in theory he should be a guy that punishes based on merit too- and I think we have seen that with Wentz seeing the door, Ryan seeing the bench, etc.
I wouldn't be shocked at all to see any of our star O-lineman get traded. None of them are playing up to their monetary value.

I think Frank will be replaced after the season, not during.

Ballard will be retained but I bet Irsay works with him to adjust some of the philosophy. They cant have another issue like the LT situation again. They had plenty of warning and opportunity to find a replacement for castonzo and failed badly.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by rcubed

Ballard will be retained but I bet Irsay works with him to adjust some of the philosophy. They cant have another issue like the LT situation again. They had plenty of warning and opportunity to find a replacement for castonzo and failed badly.

Well, if they keep Ballard, which I think they will and should do, it'll be because of the philosophy. They were either wrong about Pryor or they couldn't get another guy they wanted. But they did draft Raimann and I don't remember anybody throwing their hands up when he signed Eric Fisher last year.

Also, we needed guys on DL which fans were screaming about at the time. In Castonzo's last year, he brought Buckner in. Then he spent draft picks on Kwity and Dayo. And this year he brought Ngakoue in. Fans would be upset if he didn't address this.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by rcubed

But who will take underperforming overpaid Olinemen?

Washington, Dallas and of course, the Jets.

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

Well, if they keep Ballard, which I think they will and should do, it'll be because of the philosophy. They were either wrong about Pryor or they couldn't get another guy they wanted. But they did draft Raimann and I don't remember anybody throwing their hands up when he signed Eric Fisher last year.

Also, we needed guys on DL which fans were screaming about at the time. In Castonzo's last year, he brought Buckner in. Then he spent draft picks on Kwity and Dayo. And this year he brought Ngakoue in. Fans would be upset if he didn't address this.

fans are always upset

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by albany ed

Washington, Dallas and of course, the Jets.

I think it would be crazy to sell low on these guys. Nelson and Smith are 26, Kelly is 29. They're all high draft picks, and they've all shown the ability to play at a high level in prior seasons, in most cases even after getting big contracts (Nelson excluded since his big contract was just this last offseason). Absent an injury explanation, it seems like an obvious coaching issue to me, so dumping these guys based upon this year's performance would be a mistake.

[TheMugwump]

Originally Posted by Chaka

This is awful.

Agree. It reeks of desperation, and it's a mistake.

Sam has the legs of Bobby Douglas.

Unfortunately, he has the arm of Bernie Kosar.

(That's for you, C&O).

[HoosierinFL]

Originally Posted by Chaka

I think it would be crazy to sell low on these guys. Nelson and Smith are 26, Kelly is 29. They're all high draft picks, and they've all shown the ability to play at a high level in prior seasons, in most cases even after getting big contracts (Nelson excluded since his big contract was just this last offseason). Absent an injury explanation, it seems like an obvious coaching issue to me, so dumping these guys based upon this year's performance would be a mistake.

I've been saying it was a coaching issue that has accumulated over the last few seasons because even last year the oline wasn't as good as they were in 2019 and 20. I keep thinking that after firing DeGuglielmo that the line as turned soft.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

I've been saying it was a coaching issue that has accumulated over the last few seasons because even last year the oline wasn't as good as they were in 2019 and 20. I keep thinking that after firing DeGuglielmo that the line as turned soft.

Here’s what I think is happening. Pryor is 6’7 350lbs. He is too big and slow to play either position. He isn’t fast enough for speed on the outside and was getting beat even by stunts. In comparison Smith is like 50lbs lighter, he can keep up with guys. It messed up the spacing and Nelson feels he has to cover both sides and worry about his guy. Move him to guard and yeah he is good when he gets hands on you, but he is too slow to do that with anyone but NTs. So he can’t drop faster enough so that makes Smith not drop enough bc he doesn’t want to create a huge hole every down for delayed blitzes. Teams are just throwing their speed at the line and crowding running lanes.

This is not a great QB class, it’s just better than last year. There are some projects in there if you want one. If they don’t like a QB, they should take the best tackle they can. Maybe Raimann can play guard or RT. He’s only a 3rd rounder. I would also think about replacing Kelly, but let’s see how he does with Ehlinger. Next year is a better QB class.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by Chaka

I think it would be crazy to sell low on these guys. Nelson and Smith are 26, Kelly is 29. They're all high draft picks, and they've all shown the ability to play at a high level in prior seasons, in most cases even after getting big contracts (Nelson excluded since his big contract was just this last offseason). Absent an injury explanation, it seems like an obvious coaching issue to me, so dumping these guys based upon this year's performance would be a mistake.

I'm not advocating selling low, but I would be listening to any offers with no exceptions. Clearly, there are no OLmen on this squad that are being under paid. And the way they're playing this year, their paychecks should come gift wrapped. Nelson and Smith (26) and Kelly (29) count for over 30 million against the cap. I'm not sure how much their cap hit will be next year, but it's a big hit. Worth it? Certainly not this year.