Has Kenny Moore Played His Last Game as a Colt?

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by rm1369

They also would have cut him in a heartbeat if he hadn’t performed...

...If Moore was an underpaid IT professional people would think differently about him pushing his employer for more money.

-I think the fact that he's under contract is the issue for people, not the money. I'm sure most fans can empathize with him seeing the explosion of money around the league and wanting in on it. Of course we all want more. That's not really the point, though.

-So that aside... Cutting him for not performing is also part of the agreed upon contract. Almost like they're paying for a standard of service and if that standard is not met, the relationship can be terminated.

-There's also a gamble from both parties in the form of guaranteed money. Both parties were comfortable enough that if Kenny Moore got into a car accident and never played a down, he would be still be paid $9m. And there are more guarantees along the way.

-The difference with the IT guy is that he's probably not under contract which drastically changes the employer/employee relationship. So he can push for more money because if he's unsatisfied, he can go to the competitor and get a job with them at any time. But if he's under contract, that employer can tell him to get fucked.

I love the dude being on the Colts and I think he's very important. Also, to keep it in perspective, he still hasn't done anything that violates his contract. He may just show up for work, continue to perform, and maybe the good will pays off for both sides. So far, this is just a discussion about the principle of an issue.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by rm1369

They also would have cut him in a heartbeat if he hadn’t performed. I don’t begrudge players trying to get their money when they can. I think most fans lose sight of reality because of the amount of money involved. If Moore was an underpaid IT professional people would think differently about him pushing his employer for more money. Yeah there are obvious differences, but let’s not forget that among those differences is the fact Moore is literally one play away from being out of his profession for the rest of his life. He also has an extremely small window to earn. And the league doesn’t exactly have a great track record with taking care of players once they are used up.

My guess is Moore doesn’t hold out and plays this year, then is traded in the off season. I personally don’t think that makes Moore a bad person. I wish it wasn’t the case, he’s a better player than you’d assume from this thread. Either way, Moore will do what’s in his best interest and the team will do what’s in theirs. I’m guessing that’s trading him.

Bullshit an undrafted unknown guy should be grateful and he made the pro bowl big fuckin deal

Reality is you play thru your contract keep producing and you’ll be vastly rewarded. I think the one that’s lost sight in this situation is Moore guys can’t have a good year and then cry for more money especially a replaceable guy that isn’t even one of the top 5 players on the team

Once again….. you wanna talk about underpaid… Taylor carried this fuckin team last year glad he doesn’t have Kenny’s agent

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by apballin

Exactly , Jonathan Taylor showed up Kenny!!! Talk about under paid!!!

Made 1.7 while his backup made 6 mil and he’s still showing up

You are comparing apples to oranges.


Per the latest CBA, Jonathan Taylor and his agent cannot negotiate a new contract extension until Taylor finishes his third season in the NFL.

That is the reason why Taylor and his agent aren't asking for more money this off season.


https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-fr...u-need-to-know

Renegotiations: Rookie contracts for drafted players can't be renegotiated or altered in any way until after the last regular-season game of the third contracted year. Undrafted rookies must wait until after their second season to amend a contract. When the timing allows, any rookie contract that is renegotiated or extended in any way is no longer considered a rookie contract and is not restricted by the rules governing such contracts.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

You are comparing apples to oranges.


Per the latest CBA, Jonathan Taylor and his agent cannot negotiate a new contract extension until Taylor finishes his third season in the NFL.

That is the reason why Taylor and his agent aren't asking for more money this off season.


https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-fr...u-need-to-know

Yea I didn’t know this still doesn’t change my stance Kenny Moore has gotten a swollen head and getting shitty advice from a new agent if he knows what’s best he better have his money hungry ass in camp when shit gets real

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by rm1369

They also would have cut him in a heartbeat if he hadn’t performed. I don’t begrudge players trying to get their money when they can. I think most fans lose sight of reality because of the amount of money involved. If Moore was an underpaid IT professional people would think differently about him pushing his employer for more money. Yeah there are obvious differences, but let’s not forget that among those differences is the fact Moore is literally one play away from being out of his profession for the rest of his life. He also has an extremely small window to earn. And the league doesn’t exactly have a great track record with taking care of players once they are used up.

My guess is Moore doesn’t hold out and plays this year, then is traded in the off season. I personally don’t think that makes Moore a bad person. I wish it wasn’t the case, he’s a better player than you’d assume from this thread. Either way, Moore will do what’s in his best interest and the team will do what’s in theirs. I’m guessing that’s trading him.

I don’t think Moore is a bad person at all. In fact, he seems like a pretty good guy from everything I’ve seen. But I don’t subscribe to the theory that the player is always right.

The “small window to earn” argument isn’t convincing to me in this situation. He and the Colts already solved that issue when he received a $9 million guarantee when he signed long term after his second year. In exchange for that security, and tons more money if he played well, he pledged to remain with the Colts for five years. He could have refused to sign, bet on himself, and done a year-to-year deal. That was entirely up to him, and would have maximized his earnings, but also maximized his risk.

The fact that he’s played well, and the market for his services may have grown, is just not a valid excuse to ask for more money. The possibility that this might occur is exactly why the Colts were willing to commit so much money to a somewhat unproven, two-year player in 2019. If he isn't happy with this deal, then he should direct this to his former agent who helped him negotiate it.

The “underpaid IT professional” isn’t a very reasonable comparison, as others have pointed out and you even suggest in your comment. There’s no contract involved in that scenario, which is the crux of this after all.

[Oldcolt]

Moore has every right in the world to ASK for more money, to have his contract renegotiated. The Colts have every right to say no. I don't see how, in this scenario anyone has done anything that even approaches being wrong. And as far as I can see, that is the situation we are in right now. Voluntary means you do not have to show up, it means voluntary. If you hold it against the guy because he doesn't show up and do everything then it really isn't voluntary now is it? If that is true then the Colts are the liars, something I am sure we all think would be highly immoral.

I hate these slow times when this is what we have to talk about. It is better than anything the world has to offer right now anyway. I am thankful for football and this team.

[Bojack]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Moore has every right in the world to ASK for more money, to have his contract renegotiated. The Colts have every right to say no. I don't see how, in this scenario anyone has done anything that even approaches being wrong. And as far as I can see, that is the situation we are in right now. Voluntary means you do not have to show up, it means voluntary. If you hold it against the guy because he doesn't show up and do everything then it really isn't voluntary now is it? If that is true then the Colts are the liars, something I am sure we all think would be highly immoral.

I hate these slow times when this is what we have to talk about. It is better than anything the world has to offer right now anyway. I am thankful for football and this team.

Fair points pal. He is not required to show up for these no and the backlash he has gotten from certain areas of Colt fandom has been ridiculous. I don't think we are going to back down and give in, but Moore doesn't seem to be giving in either.

I just want the thing resolved as soon as possible so can everyone can have a clear head about it:Player, team, and fan alike.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Bojack

Fair points pal. He is not required to show up for these no and the backlash he has gotten from certain areas of Colt fandom has been ridiculous. I don't think we are going to back down and give in, but Moore doesn't seem to be giving in either.

I just want the thing resolved as soon as possible so can everyone can have a clear head about it:Player, team, and fan alike.

He's not your Pal, guy.

[Bojack]

Originally Posted by Butter

He's not your Pal, guy.

I'm not your guy,friend.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Moore has every right in the world to ASK for more money, to have his contract renegotiated. The Colts have every right to say no. I don't see how, in this scenario anyone has done anything that even approaches being wrong. And as far as I can see, that is the situation we are in right now. Voluntary means you do not have to show up, it means voluntary. If you hold it against the guy because he doesn't show up and do everything then it really isn't voluntary now is it? If that is true then the Colts are the liars, something I am sure we all think would be highly immoral.

I hate these slow times when this is what we have to talk about. It is better than anything the world has to offer right now anyway. I am thankful for football and this team.

You don’t wanna show up for voluntary work I’m fine with that… hell you wanna go to Ballard and Irsay and voice contract displeasure… fine with that

To let it be known thru the media is my issue with all this. This is the kinda bullshit that divides teams before the season even starts. He could’ve said anything he’s resting a sore hamstring… anything

See you in camp Kenny, don’t fuck this up