Colts name Daniel Jones the QB1

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by albany ed

Just exactly do you think the Colts could get for AR at this time? No team would give up 4th or 5th. Do you really think that getting a 6th or 7th round in next year's draft will even make the team?

Not sure, and also not sure a 4-5 wouldn't be possible. Also, not even really concerned if a 6-7th rounder would make the team- though guys like Jones and Wohler give you hope that you can find that gem in the rough.

The kid has an enormous set of skills and is still younger than several QB's drafted this year. I have no idea what others may give for him though there has been chatter that teams have inquired. Push him off somewhere and if he becomes a star, so fucking be it, but the circumstances that have unfolded here, would sure as hell seem to indicate the Colts don't think that is a very strong possibility- if they did, the fucker is starting the season.

I would immediately move him. Shit is too fried here now, too much bitterness and I don't think Steichen wants anything to do with him really. There's going to be a TON of noise the minute DJ has a slightly off performance. Everyone is going to clammer for him to come in and throw the 60 yard streak strikes- everyone is going to want the juice if you will. A massive distraction is just waiting to boil over.

Leonard on the other hand carries such little risk. He comes in and sucks, you're getting what you expected and the FANS are getting a chance at another high QB pick next April. He comes in and somehow looks the part, well maybe you have a Purdy Esque situation and you can focus on building around him- with a better fucking GM.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I heard a stat that Daniel Jones has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.

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New York Giants history dates back to 1925. Stats for QB's in recent history needs to be taken with a big grain of salt when comparing them to stats of QB's that played a long time ago. Daniel Jones, for example, has a higher passer rating as a Giants QB than Frank Tarkenton, Charlie Conerly, and Phil Simms, and essentially has the same passer rating as Y.A. Tittle.



A) l Prior to 1974, a defensive player could hit a receiver an unlimited number of times down-field, so long as the ball was not in the air.

Starting in 1974, the most severe rule change regarding pass receivers and defenders was enacted ...... a player could only make contact 2 times overall, and one time beyond 3 yards of the line of scrimmage. This makes one appreciate what Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Sonny Jurgensen, etc. accomplished. These quarterbacks all had most or all of their careers played prior to the 1974 season.

B) l In 1977, the rule was amended to aid the pass receivers again. Starting that season, a defender could only make contact with a receiver one time ...... whether it be within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage, or further downfield.

C) l In 1978, the rule was amended to aid the pass receivers yet again. Starting that season, a defender could make contact with a receiver only one time, and within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. If the defender made contact with a receiver 6 yards or more from the line of scrimmage, it was now considered to be pass interference (and/or defensive holding), even if the ball was not yet in the air.



* l In the last 15-20 years (circa 2005 through the present), more rule changes protecting both the receivers and the quarterbacks has allowed offensive statistics to increase even higher than they already had been.

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[Dewey 5]

Originally Posted by albany ed

Just exactly do you think the Colts could get for AR at this time? No team would give up 4th or 5th. Do you really think that getting a 6th or 7th round in next year's draft will even make the team?

Raiders might give up a 4th or 5th. They are now in need of a qb2.Aidan O’Connell broke his wrist.

[Oldcolt]

Hard for me to believe you actually think AR is done here. He may be or he may not be but people have come back from much worse situations before. Steichen lies to us all the time, I saw a stat that about 30% of what he says is true (remember Ryan was our starting QB for the rest of the year?). Nobody knows how this is going to play out. We haven't even heard from our new owner on how she feels. And we won't know until she acts one way or the other. It is way way too late to give up on AR. We will need him when Jones becomes who he has always been.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

Not sure, and also not sure a 4-5 wouldn't be possible. Also, not even really concerned if a 6-7th rounder would make the team- though guys like Jones and Wohler give you hope that you can find that gem in the rough.

The kid has an enormous set of skills and is still younger than several QB's drafted this year. I have no idea what others may give for him though there has been chatter that teams have inquired. Push him off somewhere and if he becomes a star, so fucking be it, but the circumstances that have unfolded here, would sure as hell seem to indicate the Colts don't think that is a very strong possibility- if they did, the fucker is starting the season.

I would immediately move him. Shit is too fried here now, too much bitterness and I don't think Steichen wants anything to do with him really. There's going to be a TON of noise the minute DJ has a slightly off performance. Everyone is going to clammer for him to come in and throw the 60 yard streak strikes- everyone is going to want the juice if you will. A massive distraction is just waiting to boil over.

Leonard on the other hand carries such little risk. He comes in and sucks, you're getting what you expected and the FANS are getting a chance at another high QB pick next April. He comes in and somehow looks the part, well maybe you have a Purdy Esque situation and you can focus on building around him- with a better fucking GM.

I would trade AR for 5th. A 5th of premium bourbon j/k . Seriously though, Dallas spent a 4th on Trey Lance, and he has shown no signs of life. AR, also has way more upside than Lance as well.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

It's hard for me to believe that you actually think that AR is done here.

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I'm not sure who this post is directed at, but I have been (and continue to be) one of Anthony Richardson's biggest defenders here on ColtFreaks. In fact, I think that it is a mistake to have Daniel Jones as the starting QB this year over Richardson because in the long run I think that we have a better chance at becoming bonafide AFC championship contenders by developing a very young, very raw QB like Richardson than we do than with having what is currently a middling QB like Daniel Jones.

So, I really hope that the Colts ARE NOT done with Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis ...... my hopes of Daniel Jones becoming the next Jim Plunkett is a pipe-dream, and very much a long-shot. I'd rather go with Richardson, and see if he can evolve into at least a very solid QB over the next 3 to 4 years.

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[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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I'm not sure who this post is directed at, but I have been (and continue to be) one of Anthony Richardson's biggest defenders here on ColtFreaks. In fact, I think that it is a mistake to have Daniel Jones as the starting QB this year over Richardson because in the long run I think that we have a better chance at becoming bonafide AFC championship contenders by developing a very young, very raw QB like Richardson than we do than with having what is currently a middling QB like Daniel Jones.

So, I really hope that the Colts ARE NOT done with Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis ...... my hopes of Daniel Jones becoming the next Jim Plunkett is a pipe-dream, and very much a long-shot. I'd rather go with Richardson, and see if he can evolve into at least a very solid QB over the next 3 to 4 years.

o

You and I are in complete agreement on this topic. Given 100 chances, right now, I am taking AR 100 vs 0 to DJ. That said, the Colts have for their own reasons- most of which I believe to be very myopic and centered around neither Steichen or Ballard probably being given a sniff by anyone else for their legitimately "best jobs in the world" positions (because they both SUCK), are going the opposite direction.

In that case, they have decided he is not good enough to be the starter for this team. That says he must not be good enough to be the starter for the other teams in the league either in their view. So get rid of him now. 1-3 days of intense media noise, and then it's over. He is very likely a backup on whatever team he lands and only gets in with an injury / really shitty QB play and comes in very very cold for whoever it is, meaning he will likely not excel in the new spot, at least not this year.

To me, if you've decided the time to move on from him is now, then it is time from this point forward until eternity. To me, EVERYONE has fucked this thing up. So divorce, be done with it, swap the titles and fucking just move on.

[Oldcolt]

We will get to see what AR is mentally made of. Does he put his all into not wasting this year and learning as much as he can or not? If he does then nothing is written in stone as far as AR and the Colts are concerned. I have zero idea how likely this is since I don't know the guy. I can hope.

[YDFL Commish]

All in jest, of course. But still funny as hell!

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[Spike]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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I'm not sure who this post is directed at, but I have been (and continue to be) one of Anthony Richardson's biggest defenders here on ColtFreaks. In fact, I think that it is a mistake to have Daniel Jones as the starting QB this year over Richardson because in the long run I think that we have a better chance at becoming bonafide AFC championship contenders by developing a very young, very raw QB like Richardson than we do than with having what is currently a middling QB like Daniel Jones.

So, I really hope that the Colts ARE NOT done with Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis ...... my hopes of Daniel Jones becoming the next Jim Plunkett is a pipe-dream, and very much a long-shot. I'd rather go with Richardson, and see if he can evolve into at least a very solid QB over the next 3 to 4 years.

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100% agree with you C&O! Great post. As a long time Colts fan, I don't want to run with check down Jones and would rather see if AR can be the guy. I still think that Steichen and Ballard are just running scared right now, and I can't blame them. They are in serious trouble.