2021 NFL Draft thread - Day 1 discussion

[Puck]

FWIW.

this was posted at 9 am this morning

https://twitter.com/ForTheCOLTure/st...669176320?s=20

Luke Diamond
@ForTheCOLTure
Here’s what I’m hearing at 21... It sounds like it’s Kwity Paye or trade back, unfortunately for the Colts I THINK Paye will be off the board before 21 but on a positive note we enter the draft with 6 picks and trading back will be a great opportunity to recoup some picks.

So there was not a chance of them taking an OT or any other player today

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Spike

Wrong, just fucking wrong. Dam, I hate telling you how wrong you are regarding these draft picks are. You thought Mac Jones was the best QB and yet he was the 5th QB taken. Paye is better than Oweh, period, end of the story. Just keep watching son. If the Colts would have taken Oweh over Paye, I would have been one of the most pissed off Colts fans on the planet.

You should be pissed off about Paye. He sucks. He's straight up athletic traits with no idea how to play DE, and he's not even the best player in this draft in that category. Oweh ran a 4.37 with a 1.59 10 split. His 3 cone time is 6.9 and his vert and broad are far superior to Paye. He didn't put up as many reps of 225. Neither Paye nor Oweh currently have any idea how pass rushing works. Oweh's way more likely to get it because he's longer, faster, and more explosive. It doesn't matter where a player is drafted, or how many were drafted at his position in front of him. To your point on QBs, Joe Montana wasn't even a first rounder and was the 4th QB taken in his class, he did pretty okay. You know who else was the 5th QB taken in their class? Dan Marino, he turned out pretty okay, too.

Originally Posted by Puck

Did you see Ojulari RAS?

https://relativeathleticscores.com/r...PlayerID=19587

You said he was better than Paye

Also did you see Paye's 3 cone?

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/stat...464068098?s=20

How about this?

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/stat...758299136?s=20

Ojulari has a rush plan on any given play and absolutely demolished the 17th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, go watch the game if you'd like. I don't care that his RAS is lower mostly because of his size and bench scores. I didn't, and still haven't, seen Paye's 3 cone time, because I can't find it anywhere, but I highly doubt it was better than Oweh's 6.9.

Originally Posted by Puck

You said we could take Jenkins and Turner at 54. The DE's are in higher demand that the OT's for a reason. They are better players

I don't understand the reluctance of teams to take OTs in this draft, but I am certain it is not a talent gap. This is the best OT class by far in some time.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Puck

FWIW.

this was posted at 9 am this morning

https://twitter.com/ForTheCOLTure/st...669176320?s=20




So there was not a chance of them taking an OT or any other player today

That's so disappointing. How could they watch tape of him doing the patented Zach Allen "bull rush" over and over again and think "That guy is the only guy worth drafting at 21"? Have the Colts lost any scouts between this year and last?

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Puck

How many sacks did Oweh have last yr? Since your all about production?

Let me help. ZERO!!!!!!!

Cool. I said Oweh was better at being a ball of traits with no production than Paye. Sounds like that fits exactly with what I said. Neither Oweh nor Paye currently knows how to pass rush. Oweh just has a bunch more traits that make him more likely to succeed at it. Namely he's longer, faster, and more explosive.

[smitty46953]

Kwity Payes 3 cone was 6.37

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

You should be pissed off about Paye. He sucks. He's straight up athletic traits with no idea how to play DE, and he's not even the best player in this draft in that category. Oweh ran a 4.37 with a 1.59 10 split. His 3 cone time is 6.9 and his vert and broad are far superior to Paye. He didn't put up as many reps of 225. Neither Paye nor Oweh currently have any idea how pass rushing works. Oweh's way more likely to get it because he's longer, faster, and more explosive. It doesn't matter where a player is drafted, or how many were drafted at his position in front of him. To your point on QBs, Joe Montana wasn't even a first rounder and was the 4th QB taken in his class, he did pretty okay. You know who else was the 5th QB taken in their class? Dan Marino, he turned out pretty okay, too.



Ojulari has a rush plan on any given play and absolutely demolished the 17th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, go watch the game if you'd like. I don't care that his RAS is lower mostly because of his size and bench scores. I didn't, and still haven't, seen Paye's 3 cone time, because I can't find it anywhere, but I highly doubt it was better than Oweh's 6.9.



I don't understand the reluctance of teams to take OTs in this draft, but I am certain it is not a talent gap. This is the best OT class by far in some time.

Tom Barnett
@tbarnett91
·
Jan 21
Video of Kwity Paye's legendary 3 cone drill just surfaced and it's amazing. His time of 6.37 seconds would be the second greatest in combine history (Jordan Thomas, 6.28). Wish we could see him run the drill laser timed at this year's NFL Combine.

https://twitter.com/hiddenzay/status...842346496?s=20

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by smitty46953

Kwity Payes 3 cone was 6.37

Is that an official time? Because that sounds like a scout slipped and hit his stopwatch too early. For reference, Jacob Harris's 6.51 3 cone time put him at a 9.95 at the WR position for 3 cone times. 6.37 would be unheard of historically good for someone of Paye's size, and I would want to see something that could verify it to believe that. That's a top 1% 3 cone time at WR, DEs don't do that.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Puck

https://twitter.com/hiddenzay/status...842346496?s=20

Has the guy who does frame analysis on drill times verified that time? That doesn't seem believable to me.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

You should be pissed off about Paye. He sucks. He's straight up athletic traits with no idea how to play DE, and he's not even the best player in this draft in that category. Oweh ran a 4.37 with a 1.59 10 split. His 3 cone time is 6.9 and his vert and broad are far superior to Paye. He didn't put up as many reps of 225. Neither Paye nor Oweh currently have any idea how pass rushing works. Oweh's way more likely to get it because he's longer, faster, and more explosive. It doesn't matter where a player is drafted, or how many were drafted at his position in front of him. To your point on QBs, Joe Montana wasn't even a first rounder and was the 4th QB taken in his class, he did pretty okay. You know who else was the 5th QB taken in their class? Dan Marino, he turned out pretty okay, too.



Ojulari has a rush plan on any given play and absolutely demolished the 17th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, go watch the game if you'd like. I don't care that his RAS is lower mostly because of his size and bench scores. I didn't, and still haven't, seen Paye's 3 cone time, because I can't find it anywhere, but I highly doubt it was better than Oweh's 6.9.



I don't understand the reluctance of teams to take OTs in this draft, but I am certain it is not a talent gap. This is the best OT class by far in some time.

You're making my point Dam. There are a lot more quality OT's than there were/are edge rush. So if you don't take the edge when they are available then you're probably not getting one. BUT there will be plenty of OT's available because the class is deep.


And if you read what I posted earlier. Word was that the only player Ballard was interested in in round 1 was Paye. If he wasn't there they were trading back. Then the report came out that Paye was the #1 player on the Colts board.

This is really not that difficult.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Puck

You're making my point Dam. There are a lot more quality OT's than there were/are edge rush. So if you don't take the edge when they are available then you're probably not getting one. BUT there will be plenty of OT's available because the class is deep.


And if you read what I posted earlier. Word was that the only player Ballard was interested in in round 1 was Paye. If he wasn't there they were trading back. Then the report came out that Paye was the #1 player on the Colts board.

This is really not that difficult.

What's difficult for me is how do you draft a pass rusher who doesn't know how to pass rush? And if you're going for the traits, why not get the guy with the 35 inch arms who is faster, quicker, and more explosive? That could be either of Turner or Oweh.