Quick thoughts on Dolphins-Colts

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck

Didnt Steve Young do this one time? Threw the ball and it was tipped. He ran up and caught his own pass. I may be thinking of someone else.

Mariota did against the chiefs for a td in the playoffs

[Luck4Reich]

Originally Posted by Chaka

Haha - funny. Of course adding better players usually improves a team. My point is this: most of the free agents people here were pining for have underperformed, so adding them may not have helped at all. Imagine if we had signed Norwall - how would that have played out for us? Would we have drafted Nelson? How would Norwall's underperformance (if we assume he'd perform similar to how he performed in JAX) have affected our offensive line performance, and by extension, our entire offensive production? Yes, we'd have less cap space available, but would we have been better off?

Theorizing about adding "good' players is tempting, but ultimately foolhardy because there's no way to know how it would have played out, how the player's involvement would have affected the overall team performance, player development, and team chemistry.

I'm just saying that I'm happy with how things have turned out. If the team was 1-10 at this point and the draft picks had flamed out, then I guess I'd be ok with this type of criticism. But given what's happened this year, and the dramatic change in team perception, I'll disagree with it.

We shouldn't have signed Ebron since he underperformed with the Lions... oh wait!

Seriously you dont really know how someone will perform where. But to stand pat when he could have made the team better is unacceptable. It's his job to make the team better sooner not later... he has done some good things dont get me wrong. But there is a short window in the NFL.... Dont wait if you have the resources to do it now!

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck

We shouldn't have signed Ebron since he underperformed with the Lions... oh wait!

Seriously you dont really know how someone will perform where. But to stand pat when he could have made the team better is unacceptable. It's his job to make the team better sooner not later... he has done some good things dont get me wrong. But there is a short window in the NFL.... Dont wait if you have the resources to do it now!

If Quincy Wilson is a Pro Bowl caliber corner in 2020 and is a major part of the Colts winning the Super Bowl that year, would he have gotten there if a veteran was taking his snaps in 2018?

Can't we just listen to Ballard and accept that 2018 was never about putting the absolute best team on the field? It was about development of the young talent on the roster to better set up the team for 2019-->. Some of you can complain about that approach, but compare this team to the likes of KC, NO, and LAR. No moves this offseason would have put the Colts in that class. The foundation of the team needed more time. Maybe they're in that realm in 2019 with more experience, another solid draft, and some key free agent acquisitions.

[Pez]

I agree that it seems like we should spend some of the money we have to get a WR or a some help on defense (perhaps a TE now that Jack is IRd).

The things we need to be careful of is again, value, not just dollars but value within our system and within our culture.

The Patriots have this bullshit cult of personality around BB and TB, despite everyone hating it outside of New England, it works. They cultivate it with personnel that are content with scraps of approval from BB's table and the chance to win another championship.

Andre Johnson wanted to win a championship, almost as bad as Grigson wanted to prove he was the smartest guy in the room.

So we signed Johnson and paid him 7.5 million for 42 catches and 4 TDs.

Ebron is a guy that wants to have an opportunity to start and get a fresh start someonwhere other than the toxic environment that Detroit became for him.

We sign Ebron and paid him 6.5 million for 44 catches and 11 TDs.

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

Nobody gives a shit if you are “ok” with the criticism.

Some free agents are misses. Like Howard. Some are good. Like Inman and Mitchell. Like glowinski. Being on the outside of the playoffs with 60 million in the bank is valid criticism. Whether you like it or not.

Worst case, a healthy Luck is going to get you 8 wins. Every time. Give that man as much talent around him as you can. Anything else is dumb

Look, there’s a long term plan in place which, for some reason, you seem intent on torpedoing. You’re preferred approach has been proven incorrect over and over again, but you still insist on whining about the Colts’ free cap space. I gave you a perfectly good real-world example of this, but you ignore it because it doesn’t fit your world view and then you whine even more.

Yes, it’s easy enough to identify the good moves the Colts made after the fact (Mitchell, Glowinski, Inman, etc.), but how about providing some specific recommendations going forward? I’ve invited you to do this repeatedly, and you just ignore it. I get that this seems to be your shtick here, but who did you advocate the Colts use their cap space to sign this last offseason? Let talk about how those moves would have played out.

The Colts have exceeded nearly everyone’s expectations so far. That’s a fact. Yet you still criticize and complain that they should have done things differently. Yes, of course it is good to surround Luck with “as much talent around him as you can” – but I’ve challenged you to explain what talent you are referring to, and whether it would be any better than what we currently have. All I hear in response is crickets.

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck

We shouldn't have signed Ebron since he underperformed with the Lions... oh wait!

Seriously you dont really know how someone will perform where. But to stand pat when he could have made the team better is unacceptable. It's his job to make the team better sooner not later... he has done some good things dont get me wrong. But there is a short window in the NFL.... Dont wait if you have the resources to do it now!

I'm sorry if I was not clear - I was not saying the Colts shouldn't have signed any free agents. Ebron was a great signing, no question. My point is that I'm happy with where the Colts are now - the players, draft picks and free agents they have signed.

My point is that it's simplistic and foolish to say that we could now be a contender by signing some "good" free agents. My example of Norwall was to illustrate that changing the Colts approach last season would have a domino effect on other areas of the team that Colts fans might not like so much. Would we have Nelson? Would we have Leonard? These are valid questions, and all thing considered, I'm happy with how things turned out.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

Nobody gives a shit if you are “ok” with the criticism.

Some free agents are misses. Like Howard. Some are good. Like Inman and Mitchell. Like glowinski. Being on the outside of the playoffs with 60 million in the bank is valid criticism. Whether you like it or not.

Worst case, a healthy Luck is going to get you 8 wins. Every time. Give that man as much talent around him as you can. Anything else is dumb

I give a shit that Chaka is ok with criticism. And on this point I think he is absolutely correct. I understand that you think we should not have this much cap space available. You are wrong. Just look at the team that we have put on the field and where they are heading. I am saying that there were exactly zero players available in free agency last year who I can point to who would have definitely improved our win total. There were zero free agents I would have wanted to sit one of our young guys down for and impede their development. Our cap space will be used to sign real impact players, our own (nobody, nobody ever lets their impact players hit free agency except in incredibly rare instances). Show me the error of my thinking so I can join you in not giving a shit about Chaka.

[rcubed]

Colts lead the league in snaps by 1st and 2nd year players at 42% (next is 39% in SF)

[Pez]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

Mariota did against the chiefs for a td in the playoffs

A 14 point solo play in fantasy... 6 for the TD pass, 6 for the TD catch, 1 for the reception and 1 for the rec yards. Other than that, fuck Mariota.

[Oldcolt]

To continue to beat a dead horse, Norwell was the one guy I think we all thought we needed to sign. If we signed him we would have had a lot less cap space (he makes 13 mil a year). Our team would also be worse than it is now. Before his injury he was not playing at all pro level. Average or a little below. One of our guards is all world and getting better and the other one is well above average. Both cost way less than Norwell. Good move not signing him Ballard.