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Old 11-06-2018, 06:24 PM
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While pattng yourself on the back, you forgot to list John Brown, an affordable WR who graded out as being good value, but that doesn't serve the purpose of this horn tooting thread.
Looking over the list, most greens are bargain basement low risk contracts. It's hard to be hurt by lower cost, lower term contracts. Also hard to get impact players at the dollar store. Finally, the Saints apparently get high marks for re-upping on Drew Brees. Nice article.

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Old 11-07-2018, 02:53 AM
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While pattng yourself on the back, you forgot to list John Brown, an affordable WR who graded out as being good value, but that doesn't serve the purpose of this horn tooting thread.
Looking over the list, most greens are bargain basement low risk contracts. It's hard to be hurt by lower cost, lower term contracts. Also hard to get impact players at the dollar store. Finally, the Saints apparently get high marks for re-upping on Drew Brees. Nice article.
Whatever, dude. I forgot to mention John Brown? Well so did you, apparently, as I see no prior posts where you recommended signing him during the free agency period or any other time until now. In fact, I ran a search here and I saw only two references to him as a possible free agent target during the offseason - both by Dam. I'm sorry if I forgot those two posts when I came up with the list off the top of my head. You know who else I forgot? Ryan Jensen (below average) and Dion Lewis (average) - both of whom were mentioned in many more posts than John Brown.

And I guess you must be a JAX or TEN fan (or worse yet, a Pats fan) if think citing an article praising the Colts free agent signings is "patting yourself on the back" or "horn tooting." I didn't sign the free agents, the Colts did - aren't you a Colts fan too?

Am I happy that people are writing articles about how effective the Colts have been in free agency? Of course. I posted the article in hopes that others would weigh in and say whether they agreed or not, and to see if these authors had missed anything. Instead, you ignore the Colts analysis altogether and try to attack the article by complaining that Drew Brees is included in the list - a guy who, if I recall correctly, reached agreement to resign with the Saints during the "legal tampering" period (the same period where people like Kirk Cousins and Case Keenum signed). So what?
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So he only counts if a few people on here were clamoring for him to be signed? Whatever to you, dude. He was out there and available but the Colts didn't even kick the tires on him. The Colts don't need our permission. You asked in another thread for examples of who should've been targeted--there's one. Again, the article is skewed toward giving high marks for a low cost signing so of course the Colts will be at or near the top of such a ranking.
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Chaka when he finds an article praising something Ballard did:

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Jesus people. We are all over Chana’s ass cause he found an article that says the Colts did a good job at something? Because the final decision (I assume we evaluate and make decisions involving coaches scouts financial guys etc) is Ballard’s? We spent very little money and got good return so far. We made what are apparently good decisions. What is not to like?
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Jesus people. We are all over Chana’s ass cause he found an article that says the Colts did a good job at something? Because the final decision (I assume we evaluate and make decisions involving coaches scouts financial guys etc) is Ballard’s? We spent very little money and got good return so far. We made what are apparently good decisions. What is not to like?
Amen!

However, we could have done more, which would make some happy at the time of the signing, but then possibly suffer from buyer's remorse when the signing blew up.

Something about high dollar free agents not working out well for the new teams. Maybe they became complacent by finally signing the big contract. Maybe they fit the old scheme better. Maybe they played well beside someone who masked their deficiencies. I don't know, but often they do not pan out. The lower contract guys have to try to earn more in their next contract, so maybe they work a little harder?
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I don't follow contracts much, but top FA players who have worked out for their new teams seem rare. Brees and Manning worked out well. Freeney had some good years elsewhere, but for less money. Randy Moss worked out well for the Cheats. Incognito worked out, too. I can't think of any others. Maybe someone else can.
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Amen!

However, we could have done more, which would make some happy at the time of the signing, but then possibly suffer from buyer's remorse when the signing blew up.

Something about high dollar free agents not working out well for the new teams. Maybe they became complacent by finally signing the big contract. Maybe they fit the old scheme better. Maybe they played well beside someone who masked their deficiencies. I don't know, but often they do not pan out. The lower contract guys have to try to earn more in their next contract, so maybe they work a little harder?
That’s an excellent observation Racehorse, and I think there’s a lot of truth to it. My guess is that there are a variety of reasons high-end free agents so rarely live up to their contracts: (1) they are often changing schemes and football players are not plug-and-play types whose skills translate exactly to a new team, (2) the player was overrated coming into free agency, which is why they weren’t signed by their former team – who was in the best position to gauge their talent level - to begin with, and (3) if they were driven to excel by the hope of financial gain, this drive is now extinguished by their large contract.
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Jesus people. We are all over Chana’s ass cause he found an article that says the Colts did a good job at something? Because the final decision (I assume we evaluate and make decisions involving coaches scouts financial guys etc) is Ballard’s? We spent very little money and got good return so far. We made what are apparently good decisions. What is not to like?
I am glad he brought up the article. I just think it is a dumb article
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I am glad he brought up the article. I just think it is a dumb article
Maybe, but it does have the redeeming value of talking nice about the Colts. That alone elevates it above dumb in my opinion
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