Nelson wins NFL offensive rookie of month

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

But but but pff says...

Grats to Nelson. Glad the pick is doing well.

Anyone that puts stock in pff grades is an absolute moron.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

Anyone that puts stock in pff grades is an absolute moron.

No shortage of those unfortunately.

[Pez]

Love it... really like where we are going as a team.

[FatDT]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

Anyone that puts stock in pff grades is an absolute moron.

Remember when Ben Utecht was the #1 TE in the NFL because he graded high on his blocking assignments?

Remember when Samson Satele was a Secret Superstar?

Remember when Marlon Mack ran for 132 yards (5.3 ypc) and 2 TDs but PFF said it he wasn't that good in the game?

Fuck PFF.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by FatDT

Remember when Ben Utecht was the #1 TE in the NFL because he graded high on his blocking assignments?

Remember when Samson Satele was a Secret Superstar?

Remember when Marlon Mack ran for 132 yards (5.3 ypc) and 2 TDs but PFF said it he wasn't that good in the game?

Fuck PFF.

You know your methodology needs to change when...

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by FatDT

Remember when Ben Utecht was the #1 TE in the NFL because he graded high on his blocking assignments?

Remember when Samson Satele was a Secret Superstar?

Remember when Marlon Mack ran for 132 yards (5.3 ypc) and 2 TDs but PFF said it he wasn't that good in the game?

Fuck PFF.

How people buy into a pff grade is beyond me. They do have some fine information im sure for objective information likensnap counts but player grades? Fuck off

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

How people buy into a pff grade is beyond me. They do have some fine information im sure for objective information likensnap counts but player grades? Fuck off

They believe that the subjective opinion of the grader is educated, but that system so easily lends itself to infiltration by various biases as to render it practically useless.

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

They believe that the subjective opinion of the grader is educated, but that system so easily lends itself to infiltration by various biases as to render it practically useless.

Agreed - any grading system that isn't completely transparent needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Here's the description that PFF gives of how it's grades are reached, in case anyone was curious:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pff-player-grades

Basically, their team of "300 plus staff" give a grade to each player of between -2 and +2 on each play, and then they tweak and "normalize" those numbers in some way that makes sense to them, and finally they convert it all onto a 0-100 scale. As Dam points out, subjective input factors HEAVILY in these analyses and, by the way, what makes the -2 to +2 initial scale appropriate to begin with?

People just like this stuff because it attaches a number to a player's performance that give the impression of significance and objectivity, but looking under the hood reveals that it really doesn't and often the PFF numbers simply do not make sense - such as Leonard being ranked behind Vander Esch. These kind of things then generate lots of discussion, which has the unintended effect of boosting PFF's profile even more - so PFF isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[FatDT]

"Hey PFF your grades are stupid."

"No they're not. They're accurate based on our criteria, not our fault it doesn't match yours."

"Well then your criteria must suck, what is it?"

"Not telling."

[Butter]

This PFF like breakdown was posted on Reddit and was interesting. Does not sell me on the +/-2 system at all.
https://thecornerbacks.wordpress.com...kland-raiders/

Taking away from Macks performance because the OL did great seems sort of dumb. The passing part is sort of understandable, but overall the syatem is suspect.

Also
https://thecornerbacks.wordpress.com...buffalo-bills/