Kiper says Colts and Dolphins are working on 1st round trade

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by ZiaColt

Overall, the report sounds credible in a very general sense (that both sides may be talking) but the part about Miami keeping #11 does sound like a leak to Kiper planted by someone in the Dolphins building.

If I'm Ballard the trade HAS to start with getting #11 and then I ask Miami's GM "what else you offering?"

Laremy Tunsil (to move back to Guard where he excelled in 2016 as a rookie) would be an intriguing sweetener to offering us the #11 overall pick.

[ZiaColt]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

Laremy Tunsil (to move back to Guard where he excelled in 2016 as a rookie) would be an intriguing sweetener to offering us the #11 overall pick.

I get the sense Ballard is a guy who's generally more interested in draft picks than in someone else's players. I may be totally off base with that, but given how much he's talked about building through the draft, I think he'd prefer something like the trade I mentioned, or a similar one.

And I'd be surprised if he made any move before the actual draft. Wait and see if Chubb gets picked at #2, #4 or #5, and if he does, THEN maybe do a deal.

Unless there really is another "mystery player" Ballard really likes at #6 (Edmunds?)

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by ZiaColt

I get the sense Ballard is a guy who's generally more interested in draft picks than in someone else's players. I may be totally off base with that, but given how much he's talked about building through the draft, I think he'd prefer something like the trade I mentioned, or a similar one.

And I'd be surprised if he made any move before the actual draft. Wait and see if Chubb gets picked at #2, #4 or #5, and if he does, THEN maybe do a deal.

Unless there really is another "mystery player" Ballard really likes at #6 (Edmunds?)

Apart from the fact that the Colts need help in rushing the passer, Ballard has given no strong indication that he's targeting Chubb even if he's available at 6. The trade down from #3 also suggests this, since at the time it looks like a near lock that Chubb would be available at #3. I'm not saying he won't take him if he's available, but (as I think rm1359 pointed out in another thread) I'm not sure he's as enthralled with Chubb as most of the general public seems to be.

[ZiaColt]

Originally Posted by Chaka

Apart from the fact that the Colts need help in rushing the passer, Ballard has given no strong indication that he's targeting Chubb even if he's available at 6. The trade down from #3 also suggests this, since at the time it looks like a near lock that Chubb would be available at #3. I'm not saying he won't take him if he's available, but (as I think rm1359 pointed out in another thread) I'm not sure he's as enthralled with Chubb as most of the general public seems to be.

there are multiple ways to get pressure on the passer, and they don't all involve weakside defensive end. For all I know, Ballard may look at Edmunds and see someone who can potentially pressure the passer more effectively, from more spots on the field, than Chubb or anyone else in this draft.

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by ZiaColt

there are multiple ways to get pressure on the passer, and they don't all involve weakside defensive end. For all I know, Ballard may look at Edmunds and see someone who can potentially pressure the passer more effectively, from more spots on the field, than Chubb or anyone else in this draft.

Agreed

[Indiana V2]

Mel Kiper isn't the type of person to break news of potential trades.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Indiana V2

Mel Kiper isn't the type of person to break news of potential trades.

Ding Ding Ding...We have a winner!

[ZiaColt]

Originally Posted by Indiana V2

Mel Kiper isn't the type of person to break news of potential trades.

so what you're saying is, Mel Kiper would be more likely to break his own hair than break any news of potential trades?

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by ZiaColt

there are multiple ways to get pressure on the passer, and they don't all involve weakside defensive end. For all I know, Ballard may look at Edmunds and see someone who can potentially pressure the passer more effectively, from more spots on the field, than Chubb or anyone else in this draft.

You draft Edmunds because you believe in Eberflus's ability to develop LBs and you see him developing into your Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher with some seasoning and with the understanding that he's going to struggle early. If the Colts draft Edmunds, expect him to look ugly in his rookie year, because he'll be the age of most college football sophomores.

[ZiaColt]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

You draft Edmunds because you believe in Eberflus's ability to develop LBs and you see him developing into your Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher with some seasoning and with the understanding that he's going to struggle early. If the Colts draft Edmunds, expect him to look ugly in his rookie year, because he'll be the age of most college football sophomores.

the times I saw Edmunds at Va Tech he was playing more on the outside than inside--although Foster was moving him around some too, at least in the games I saw

by the end of his college career Urlacher was playing about as much safety as he was linebacker, and he had no problem adjusting in the NFL, so I imagine Edmunds would do fine at either OLB or ILB...and it's not like the Colts don't need help at just about every LB position there is