Realistic Draft

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

I would like to say that, that is insane, and we don't need both. But, sadly we do need both, and if Chubb is gone, I would probably do it.

Can you imagine the Colts defense w/Vander Esche at MIKE and Smith at WILL? We quickly go from the least athletic LB corps in the NFL, to arguably the most athletic.

And given Ballard’s experience with Urlacher/Briggs, I guarantee that he would see the value there.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by ZiaColt

as much as the Colts need LB help, it seems unlikely they'd draft 2 in the first round.

on the other hand, I can see the draft unfolding so that, at #12, Smith IS the "BPA" and, at #22, LVE is as well. And if Ballard really is a BPA guy then I guess he would go ahead and draft those 2, and maybe hope one of the OL's (Wynn, Hernandez, O'Neill, Rankin?) and possibly one of the CB's (Oliver, Alexander, Jackson, Davis?) are there at the top of Round Two as BPA's as well.

Or one of the WR's, but I'm ambivalent about this group of receivers. Seems to be considerable quantity, but I'm not sure how much quality. Some big guys who may not run all that well, some fast guys with too many drops and/or lack of blocking ability. Would be nice to take some of the load off of Hilton, if possible.

If someone like Kirk or maybe Sutton is still there at the top of Round Two, I guess I'd give them a look, but otherwise I'm not sure there might not be a WR available at #49 or even #67 who's just as good as anyone earlier. Or another OL, or maybe a promising but under-achieving DT like Hand?

LVE has the same measurables as Urlacher did when he came out.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

And given Ballard’s experience with Urlacher/Briggs, I guarantee that he would see the value there.

And take a look at who the Bears had at DE in 2012 while he was there.

Idonije and Peppers both 32 yrs old and neither superstars. LB's in this defense are more important than DE's. As are the corners and DT

[ZiaColt]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

LVE has the same measurables as Urlacher did when he came out.

I can still remember watching Urlacher live, returning punts in college....unreal

from everything I've seen and read, Smith is undersized but his football IQ and character are off the charts

I'd still like to see the Colts pick up a CB somewhere along the line--maybe with one of their 2nd rounders if he's the BPA at that slot--but it sounds like he'd possibly need to be more of a zone guy (?)

Hernandez may move up into the first round. Wynn may too. But I'd be mildly shocked if both of them do, along with McGlinchey and Williams (and, of course, Nelson before all of them).

I guess all 5 could go first round, but that would definitely push some promising guys down to the top of Round Two if they did.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Puck

And take a look at who the Bears had at DE in 2012 while he was there.

Idonije and Peppers both 32 yrs old and neither superstars. LB's in this defense are more important than DE's. As are the corners and DT

You’re underrating the difference of the playing surface. You can get away with an older, slower pass rush on that shot field in Chicago. You can’t at LOS. They need a stud pass rusher too.

BTW, Peppers is a first ballot HOFer.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

You’re underrating the difference of the playing surface. You can get away with an older, slower pass rush on that shot field in Chicago. You can’t at LOS. They need a stud pass rusher too.

BTW, Peppers is a first ballot HOFer.

Yes in his prime.... he was 32 in 2012

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Puck

Yes in his prime.... he was 32 in 2012

In 2012, Peppers had 11.5 sacks and was a Pro Bowler. 2012 was his best year with the Bears.

[FatDT]

And regardless of how he played the Bears paid him a lot with the expectation that he be a top DE. LB is important but not more important than DE.

[sherck]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

I would be extremely happy with something like this in the first two rounds:

Roquon
Vander Esch
Will Hernandez
Hubbard
Michel

My only modification to that list is that instead of Hernandez, we need at OT.

If we had to play meaningful games today, our top candidates for right OT are Good, Haeg and Clark in that order.

If we had to play meaningful games today, our top candidates for OG are Mewhort, Slauson, Haeg, Good, Clark and Vujnovich in that order.

We need OT help more than we need OG help for 2018, IMO.

So, instead of Will Hernandez, I would take Brian O'Neill, Jamarco Jones, Kolton Miller or Tyrell Crosby; whomever the Colts scouts had highest available.

Walk Worthy,

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by sherck

My only modification to that list is that instead of Hernandez, we need at OT.

If we had to play meaningful games today, our top candidates for right OT are Good, Haeg and Clark in that order.

If we had to play meaningful games today, our top candidates for OG are Mewhort, Slauson, Haeg, Good, Clark and Vujnovich in that order.

We need OT help more than we need OG help for 2018, IMO.

So, instead of Will Hernandez, I would take Brian O'Neill, Jamarco Jones, Kolton Miller or Tyrell Crosby; whomever the Colts scouts had highest available.

Walk Worthy,

Agreed, VJ can get off of my team, and out of the OT prospect listed, O'Neill intrigues me the most.