Please burn this shit down!

[apballin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Session

schadenfreude

What a disgusting way to feel about what is probably the last thing in my life that gets me excited like a kid, yet here I am.

These days, what brings the most joy is watching the media point out the hypocrisy and illogic. My inner sadist yearns to watch Steichen squirm when Bowen or anyone else asks what accountability looks like for his butt buddy Jones.

Let me guess

“Turnovers are on me”

“We’ll get it cleaned up”

[apballin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Session

schadenfreude

What a disgusting way to feel about what is probably the last thing in my life that gets me excited like a kid, yet here I am.

These days, what brings the most joy is watching the media point out the hypocrisy and illogic. My inner sadist yearns to watch Steichen squirm when Bowen or anyone else asks what accountability looks like for his butt buddy Jones.

I don’t know if you watch basketball, but my saving grace is the Pacer season begins Wednesday

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I agree with everything except the Sauce trade. It was an overpay but looks worse because of the state of the team. At the time it appeared worth the risk IMO. The main difference being that Sauce is a good football player that will be part of the future. He’s also at a premium position. Trent was a bad football player at a devalued position. At the time of the Sauce trade it made sense. Trent was a much worse trade IMO.

On DJ we started seeing the issue last season before he got hurt. Sadly I think it just who he is.

Disagree on your take of the Sauce and TRich trades. Obviously agree that the TRich trade was bad, but we "only" gave up the 26th pick in the 2014 draft for TRich who was a bad player.

Ballard gave up 16th pick in this years draft, likely a top 5 pick in next years draft, and a player who had worn out his welcome here but has actually been productive on his new team for an average CB who can't stay healthy.

I know I'm using hindsight here, but when you add it up the Sauce trade is definitely worse.

[YDFL Commish]

It doesn't m matter what we think. It has to be apparent to Carlie, that this should be a total rebuild. Get as much as you can for vets, and move on. The entire organization must be turned upside-down.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Disagree on your take of the Sauce and TRich trades. Obviously agree that the TRich trade was bad, but we "only" gave up the 26th pick in the 2014 draft for TRich who was a bad player.

Ballard gave up 16th pick in this years draft, likely a top 5 pick in next years draft, and a player who had worn out his welcome here but has actually been productive on his new team for an average CB who can't stay healthy.

I know I'm using hindsight here, but when you add it up the Sauce trade is definitely worse.

That’s fair. I try not to use hindsight on these things. I thought the TR trade was bad when it was made. Sauce seemed like an overpay but considering where the team was at the time it was justifiable. You are right though - the end costs for Sauce will likely make it a more damaging trade long term.

[DragonTails]

Shane Steichen won't last the season, and Chris Ballard and Daniel Jones will be gone between now and Week 1, 2027

Overreaction or reality: Reality

Not soon enough.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by DragonTails

Shane Steichen won't last the season, and Chris Ballard and Daniel Jones will be gone between now and Week 1, 2027

Overreaction or reality: Reality

Not soon enough.

I don’t know the answer for righting this ship, but Hones and Steichen seem to be in way over their heads. Same with Lou. But they say Jones is still QB1, so I guess they think he can be salvaged. I have some real doubts.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I don’t know the answer for righting this ship, but Hones and Steichen seem to be in way over their heads. Same with Lou. But they say Jones is still QB1, so I guess they think he can be salvaged. I have some real doubts.

As long as Steichen is coach, Jones will be the quarterback. I’m pretty sure of that. Steichen loathes AR.

[DragonTails]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

As long as Steichen is coach, Jones will be the quarterback. I’m pretty sure of that. Steichen loathes AR.

And that's why they both need to be gone.

The media is rally jumping on this, too. Maybe that will force a mid-season change of GM and coaches--or at least create a vacancy and fire sale.

Really good articles out there about dumping players and coaches plus the GM.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by DragonTails

And that's why they both need to be gone.

The media is rally jumping on this, too. Maybe that will force a mid-season change of GM and coaches--or at least create a vacancy and fire sale.

Really good articles out there about dumping players and coaches plus the GM.

The articles and Buckner’s post game comments should be putting huge pressure on the organization to make changes. But they’ve let it get to this point so I doubt anything changes until the offseason.