Free agency success

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

From that article: But there’s a big difference between collecting all-stars and getting the most out of them, something the Philadelphia Eagles learned in 2011 when they assembled the so-called Dream Team yet finished 8-8.

I think that is the point of this thread.

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The OP asked if acquiring numerous big-time free agents ever worked, so I answered his question with the 1994 49ers. Then I came upon that article that professed that the 2021 Rams could duplicate what the 1994 49ers did.

Albany Ed asked if it ever worked, and I didn't see any reason to believe that it was a rhetorical question ...... I took it as he was saying that it's given that it has not worked out much more often than not, and he wanted to know if it ever worked.

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[albany ed]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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The OP asked if acquiring numerous big-time free agents ever worked, so I answered his question with the 1994 49ers. Then I came upon that article that professed that the 2021 Rams could duplicate what the 1994 49ers did.

Albany Ed asked if it ever worked, and I didn't see any reason to believe that it was a rhetorical question ...... I took it as he was saying that it's given that it has not worked out much more often than not, and he wanted to know if it ever worked.

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Which blue chip free agents did the Rams sign in that year?

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by albany ed

Which blue chip free agents did the Rams sign in that year?

Miller and Beckham. But they were signed during the season, according to the article. The only team that assembled such talent in the off-season was the Eagles, mentioned in the article. They flopped.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

Miller and Beckham. But they were signed during the season, according to the article. The only team that assembled such talent in the off-season was the Eagles, mentioned in the article. They flopped.

Von miller was a trade so doesn’t meet his criteria.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by albany ed

Which blue chip free agents did the Rams sign in that year?

The only significant free agent acquisition that year for the Rams was OBJ. Of course the year before they added A’shawn Robison and Leonard Floyd via free agency. And then you’ve got all the players they added via trade: Stafford, Ramsey, Von Miller, Sony Michel, Austin Corbet were all major contributors acquired by trade. 25 of the players on their 53 man roster were drafted by them, 28 were acquired by other means. I doubt that is the info you want though, it looks like you are trying to narrowly tailor the question as a “gotcha” to people that criticize Ballard. Even though that is almost no one’s complaint. That’s why you have to ask about “blue chip players” signed in the specific year they won the SB. You don’t want to discuss overall roster construction.

The closest recent team to your very narrow criteria was the prior year Bucs. They signed Brady, Antonio Brown and Leonard Fournette. And of course traded for Gronkowski. Out of their 53 man roster, they had 23 drafts pics, 22 free agents, 3 players by trade and the rest UDFA or waiver pic ups. Again, your super narrow criteria may exclude them, but looking at roster construction shows that you can win by doing more than waiting and drafting to fill holes. Which is the point of the Ballard critique - it’s not signing multiple big names every years as your question suggests. If Ballard traded for Sneed it wouldn’t count for your criteria but would have satisfied most Ballard critics (no need to defend passing on him, I don’t care about one specific transaction. It’s about the overall approach proven over multiple years)

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by rm1369

The only significant free agent acquisition that year for the Rams was OBJ. Of course the year before they added A’shawn Robison and Leonard Floyd via free agency. And then you’ve got all the players they added via trade: Stafford, Ramsey, Von Miller, Sony Michel, Austin Corbet were all major contributors acquired by trade. 25 of the players on their 53 man roster were drafted by them, 28 were acquired by other means. I doubt that is the info you want though, it looks like you are trying to narrowly tailor the question as a “gotcha” to people that criticize Ballard. Even though that is almost no one’s complaint. That’s why you have to ask about “blue chip players” signed in the specific year they won the SB. You don’t want to discuss overall roster construction.

The closest recent team to your very narrow criteria was the prior year Bucs. They signed Brady, Antonio Brown and Leonard Fournette. And of course traded for Gronkowski. ) Out of their 53-man roster, they had 23 drafts-picks, 22 free-agents, 3 players by trade and the rest UDFA or waiver pick-ups. ) Again, your super-narrow criteria may exclude them, but looking at roster construction shows that you can win by doing more than waiting and drafting to fill holes. Which is the point of the Ballard critique - it’s not signing multiple big names every years as your question suggests. If Ballard traded for Sneed it wouldn’t count for your criteria but would have satisfied most Ballard critics (no need to defend passing on him, I don’t care about one specific transaction. It’s about the overall approach proven over multiple years)

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That is the quintessential reverse of the 1979 Pittsburgh Steelers ...... the 1979 Pittsburgh Steelers are the only Super Bowl champion ever in which EACH AND EVERY member of the team was drafted by that organization ...... every member of the 1979 Steelers was drafted by coach Chuck Noll and the Rooneys. )




1979 Steelers Hold Unique Draft Distinction

(By Bryan DeArdo)

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...ft-distinction

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[rm1369]

You can Google “how were the 20XX team name built” for most SB champions and find articles on how their rosters were assembled. I’ve read many of them over the years arguing against Ballard’s over reliance on the draft. It has made it pretty clear to me that there are several different ways to assemble a championship roster. And almost all of them involve taking some degree of calculated risk to fix deficiencies and win in a window.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by rm1369

The only significant free agent acquisition that year for the Rams was OBJ. ) Of course, the year before they added A’shawn Robison and Leonard Floyd via free agency. And then you’ve got all the players they added via trade: Stafford, Ramsey, Von Miller, Sony Michel, Austin Corbet were all major contributors acquired by trade. 25 of the players on their 53-man roster were drafted by them, 28 were acquired by other means. ) I doubt that is the info you want though, it looks like you are trying to narrowly tailor the question as a “gotcha” to people that criticize Ballard. Even though that is almost no one’s complaint. That’s why you have to ask about “blue chip players” signed in the specific year they won the SB. You don’t want to discuss overall roster construction.

The closest recent team to your very narrow criteria was the prior year Bucs. They signed Brady, Antonio Brown and Leonard Fournette. And of course traded for Gronkowski. Out of their 53 man roster, they had 23 drafts pics, 22 free agents, 3 players by trade and the rest UDFA or waiver pic ups. Again, your super narrow criteria may exclude them, but looking at roster construction shows that you can win by doing more than waiting and drafting to fill holes. Which is the point of the Ballard critique - it’s not signing multiple big names every years as your question suggests. If Ballard traded for Sneed it wouldn’t count for your criteria but would have satisfied most Ballard critics (no need to defend passing on him, I don’t care about one specific transaction. It’s about the overall approach proven over multiple years.)

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That's what Brent Jones points out in the article that I cited, also ...... he points out the similarities to both the 1994 49ers and the 2020 Buccaneers in terms of the similarity of the overall make-up of the teams ......


“This 2021 Rams team is absolutely reminiscent of the 1994 'Niners, and to a lesser extent last year's Tampa Bay Bucs,” tight end Brent Jones said. “If OBJ gets serious, gets his head in the playbook and integrates himself into the offense, and they stay healthy, I don't think that anybody else can match up with these guys.”

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[HoosierinFL]

You guys can argue about roster construction but the real key to winning a superbowl is having a franchise QB playing at a high level.

You have to go back to 2003 and Tampa Bay to find a superbowl winner without a star QB - with a possible exception for 2018 Philadelphia Nick Foles, but that was an offensive scheme that was messing with opposing defenses and then Foles had some weird moment and took them on a run.
Just listing backward here its:
Mahomes
Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Mahomes
Brady
Foles
Brady
P. Manning
Brady
Wilson (he sucks now but had a savant first few years)
Flacco
E. Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Roethlisberger
E. Manning
P. Manning
Roethlisberger
Brady
Brady
Brad fucken Johnson

This boils down to whether our guy is going to be a good one or not

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

You guys can argue about roster construction but the real key to winning a superbowl is having a franchise QB playing at a high level.

You have to go back to 2003 and Tampa Bay to find a superbowl winner without a star QB - with a possible exception for 2018 Philadelphia Nick Foles, but that was an offensive scheme that was messing with opposing defenses and then Foles had some weird moment and took them on a run.
Just listing backward here its:
Mahomes
Mahomes
Stafford
Brady
Mahomes
Brady
Foles
Brady
P. Manning
Brady
Wilson (he sucks now but had a savant first few years)
Flacco
E. Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Roethlisberger
E. Manning
P. Manning
Roethlisberger
Brady
Brady
Brad fucken Johnson

This boils down to whether our guy is going to be a good one or not

I don’t think anyone will disagree you need a franchise QB. From there you have to fill holes and maximize your chances in your window. QB is the most important part, but the rest of the roster does matter.

If you are defending Ballard by saying he hasn’t had the QB so the rest doesn’t matter, then I disagree. There was no reason to acquire Rivers or Ryan unless you think they are good enough to be on the list. And if you think they are then you have to recognize the window is 1-2 years max. Ballard did shit with the rest of the roster. I don’t believe Ballard will ever operate in a way that maximizes the teams chances even if he has a franchise QB. The window with AR and this version of the team (Buckner, Grover, Kelly, likely Taylor, etc) starts this season. So far it appears it will be treated like every other season under Ballard.