Trusting Ballard, as I am merely a fan

[apballin]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I highly doubt that he thought Rashawn Slater wasn't a LT, and if he did, that means he does have an arm criteria and it's unreasonable. For arms, 33" is what is needed to be a successful OT. A couple of the guys didn't hit the threshold (Carman Jackson and Liam Eichenberg specifically). Teven Jenkins did, and when you combine his testing and tape, passing on him seems like stubbornly sticking to criteria instead of trusting the evaluation. Maybe you're right and there's something in the medicals or character that I don't know about, but people talked about Kwity Paye being a Top 15 talent based on tape and testing (which is absolutely insane to me watching Paye's tape), in my opinion based on testing and tape, Teven Jenkins was a Top 15 talent in this class EASILY. Lining him up next to Nelson for the next decade would've been so fun to watch.

Also, of course he's going to come out and say he didn't really like any of the OTs in the class as LTs after his gamble backfired. Do you really expect him to come out and say "I gambled that one of the OTs worth taking would last to 54 and lost"? Of course he's not going to do that. I do think he was willing to roll those dice because Eric Fisher, Alejandro Villanueva, and Russell Okung still don't have 2021 teams. I doubt he honestly believes Sam Tevi is a starting LT.

I honestly feel like they didn’t expect Paye to be there and he made a difficult decision but stuck to his guns

Jenkins is big strong and nasty. Believe me I was pissed about this pick but the more I research the more I agree with it

Paye next to Buckner and Stewart should be just as nasty. Josh allen ran circles around our defense he singlehandedly beat us in the playoffs

Paye is a rare freak at a position of need, he played fucking running back in high school the dude was on the 4*100 track team he put up everson griffin type numbers on his pro day and his sack numbers are low because he played in a run heavy conference

I was pissed now I can’t wait for the first time he slams Henry

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by apballin

I honestly feel like they didn’t expect Paye to be there and he made a difficult decision but stuck to his guns

Jenkins is big strong and nasty. Believe me I was pissed about this pick but the more I research the more I agree with it

Paye next to Buckner and Stewart should be just as nasty. Josh allen ran circles around our defense he singlehandedly beat us in the playoffs

Paye is a rare freak at a position of need, he played fucking running back in high school the dude was on the 4*100 track team he put up everson griffin type numbers on his pro day and his sack numbers are low because he played in a run heavy conference

I was pissed now I can’t wait for the first time he slams Henry

If Paye is so great the why the fuck did he never actually get to the QB in college?

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

If Paye is so great the why the fuck did he never actually get to the QB in college?

Other big ten teams were better and Michigan hasnt been very good on either side of the ball. Takes 22 guys, not just one. If Mich. cant stop the run, hard to shine as a Pass rusher. Maybe he needed some help?

How did the Colts find Mainiac at SC state. All the bowl games they played? How did Leonard drop to the second round?

Its not scientific, there is a lot of unmeasurable factors that are used.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by JAFF

Other big ten teams were better and Michigan hasnt been very good on either side of the ball. Takes 22 guys, not just one. If Mich. cant stop the run, hard to shine as a Pass rusher. Maybe he needed some help?

How did the Colts find Mainiac at SC state. All the bowl games they played? How did Leonard drop to the second round?

Its not scientific, there is a lot of unmeasurable factors that are used.

Also, Michigan line him up a lot in a 3-3 alignment.

[HoosierinFL]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Also, Michigan line him up a lot in a 3-3 alignment.

And from what I understand, he was basically the only real "guy" on the Michigan defense, so opposing teams would plan on double or triple teaming him.
That's what I've read anyway, I just don't watch enough college ball to back that up.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

And from what I understand, he was basically the only real "guy" on the Michigan defense, so opposing teams would plan on double or triple teaming him.
That's what I've read anyway, I just don't watch enough college ball to back that up.

He was. When you watch the tape, the rest of the line may just as well been invisible.

[Luck4Reich]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

He was. When you watch the tape, the rest of the line may just as well been invisible.

He was still disruptive, can't wait to see him on the line with Buckner an Co. I think he puts up some special numbers. He will be in the conversation for DROY.

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

If Paye is so great the why the fuck did he never actually get to the QB in college?

Bigger question, why did he last to pick 21 ?

[Oldcolt]

Maybe, just maybe Paye isn’t a finished product. Maybe he was taught run stopping technique in college and hasn’t learned the pass rush just yet. Maybe you are not that good at projecting what Paye. can do with coaching or maybe he is just crap. We will find out but I’m betting with Ballard on this.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Maybe, just maybe Paye isn’t a finished product. Maybe he was taught run stopping technique in college and hasn’t learned the pass rush just yet. Maybe you are not that good at projecting what Paye. can do with coaching or maybe he is just crap. We will find out but I’m betting with Ballard on this.

His responsibilities differ at Michigan than what they will be here. He was asked to set the edge at Michigan first, which he did well. Then asked to go. On passing downs he showed good speed and ability to get the tackles hands off him. But they were a run stop oriented defense first and the B1G runs a lot. He is far from polished in the pass rush area, but he shows promise and that ever valuable quick first step. He will be asked to just rush upfield a lot in Indy. No checks offs, no reads, just go.