Rivers!

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

$25 million per year is not Top 5 QB money in today's NFL. Mahomes just signed a half a billion dollar contract that comes in at slightly more than $40 million AAV and Watson just signed a 4 year deal at $40 million AAV. To me, that puts the floor of Top 5 at $35 million AAV, so 1 year at $25 million should buy something like Rivers, a guy on the downswing of his career that could provide a top 10 QB season or could flame out badly.

I'm going strictly by salary in the current year and not by what a contract breaks down to if divided by the number of years in it. Those contracts get back loaded. Here's a quick break down of salaries only for the 2020 season.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

I realize that some contracts got signed after this was originally posted, but Rivers is certainly not worth 25 million dollars.

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Originally Posted by albany ed

I'm going strictly by salary in the current year and not by what a contract breaks down to if divided by the number of years in it. Those contracts get back loaded. Here's a quick break down of salaries only for the 2020 season.

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

I realize that some contracts got signed after this was originally posted, but Rivers is certainly not worth 25 million dollars.

Top 5 QBs have big bonuses and long term contracts. Rivers has a 1 year deal to stop gap us, not a fair comparison.


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When he signed up, I think that the assumption was that you were handing Rivers a great OL, a top 5 running attack, one elite WR and two others with high upside.

On Sunday, he didn't have any of those things. On Sunday, he had Leraven Clark, who was doing his best imitation of a turnstile; a RB who's having a hard time exploiting holes; a TY Hilton who's a shadow of his old self; and a WR corps behind him made up of, mostly, scrubs.

In addition, Jack Doyle, somehow seems to have aged badly.

That doesn't excuse the interceptions or the safety. But, going into 2020, any reasonable fan had to know that you weren't getting Rivers at his 25 year old best. You were getting a game manager who wasn't afraid to take chances.

That having been said, you can't really be surprised by what happened against the Browns.

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Originally Posted by Kray007

When he signed up, I think that the assumption was that you were handing Rivers a great OL, a top 5 running attack, one elite WR and two others with high upside.

On Sunday, he didn't have any of those things. On Sunday, he had Leraven Clark, who was doing his best imitation of a turnstile; a RB who's having a hard time exploiting holes; a TY Hilton who's a shadow of his old self; and a WR corps behind him made up of, mostly, scrubs.

In addition, Jack Doyle, somehow seems to have aged badly.

That doesn't excuse the interceptions or the safety. But, going into 2020, any reasonable fan had to know that you weren't getting Rivers at his 25 year old best. You were getting a game manager who wasn't afraid to take chances.

That having been said, you can't really be surprised by what happened against the Browns.

Rivers no longer has the arm strength to really utilize Hilton best, the deep throws. Thats a big part of the problem.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by rcubed

Top 5 QBs have big bonuses and long term contracts. Rivers has a 1 year deal to stop gap us, not a fair comparison.


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Okay, how about this. The Colts could have signed Bridgewater, Dalton AND Cam Newton and still had 7 million to sign some OL depth.

I really have no problem with paying good money for a quality player, but before I lay down money on a car with a solid history, but I'd still want to test drive it and be sure it still was a great car. Otherwise, I think I make a much lower counter offer. When Rivers signed for 25 million, I was convinced that the buyers were sure of him. I'm not convinced of that any longer, are you?

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Originally Posted by albany ed

Okay, how about this. The Colts could have signed Bridgewater, Dalton AND Cam Newton and still had 7 million to sign some OL depth.

I really have no problem with paying good money for a quality player, but before I lay down money on a car with a solid history, but I'd still want to test drive it and be sure it still was a great car. Otherwise, I think I make a much lower counter offer. When Rivers signed for 25 million, I was convinced that the buyers were sure of him. I'm not convinced of that any longer, are you?

Rivers was signed mainly due to his familiarity with reich and his system. One year contract for middle of the pack money (see above post), not top 5 money which also didnt really have any issues regarding our cap. The colts knew they couldnt trot brissett out there for another full season. Dont see why you are struggling with this.


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[albany ed]

Originally Posted by rcubed

... Dont see why you are struggling with this.


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I guess what I'm struggling with is that even though it's one year, no one on the Colts has a higher cap hit. And, between Rivers and Brissette, the cap hit is 46 million. That tells me that we need help in evaluating QB talent, especially before throwing large sums of money on middle to low level talent players. Ballard has strengths in evaluating talent, but apparently, that does not include QB talent.

I really thought that when they signed Rivers for 25 million, they were sure of his arm strength. It's not my money, but it is my favorite team and after 5 games there is one certainty, Rivers has lost a lot of the skills he once had and management should have been able to know that before giving him "middle of the pack" millions.

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Originally Posted by albany ed

I guess what I'm struggling with is that even though it's one year, no one on the Colts has a higher cap hit. And, between Rivers and Brissette, the cap hit is 46 million. That tells me that we need help in evaluating QB talent, especially before throwing large sums of money on middle to low level talent players. Ballard has strengths in evaluating talent, but apparently, that does not include QB talent.

I really thought that when they signed Rivers for 25 million, they were sure of his arm strength. It's not my money, but it is my favorite team and after 5 games there is one certainty, Rivers has lost a lot of the skills he once had and management should have been able to know that before giving him "middle of the pack" millions.

I see it more that ballard hasnt found a QB that he wants to sink long term big cap hits into. I get the short term money for rivers. I get why they signed brissett at the time, but I think they gave him too much. I agree that 46M for the two is too much, but at least it doesnt extend beyond this season.

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I know its rumormill churn, but I am starting to see "Dak to Colts" surface...

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by rcubed

I see it more that ballard hasnt found a QB that he wants to sink long term big cap hits into. I get the short term money for rivers. I get why they signed brissett at the time, but I think they gave him too much. I agree that 46M for the two is too much, but at least it doesnt extend beyond this season.

I agree short term for unsure things, but the QBs I mentioned before Bridgewater, Newton and Dalton were all signed short term for a pittance of what the Colts paid Rivers. The big price paid to Rivers made me think that they were reasonably sure that he was solid and that his arm was strong. If they weren't sure, don't give him 25 million unless he can prove it.