General off-season news thread

[Pez]

Originally Posted by rm1369

Do you think Fromm can be a true franchise guy or just better than JB?

Maybe, a franchise guy, but probably not. Same can be said for anyone else in the draft except the guys that are way too expensive.

I think we should stay conservative, keep building the team and let fromm and brissett compete for the starting job.

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[Luck4Reich]

Half of the Superbowls have been won by a QB Not drafted in the first round. So drafting a guy in the first round guarantees nothing.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by Luck4Reich

Half of the Superbowls have been won by a QB Not drafted in the first round. So drafting a guy in the first round guarantees nothing.

It guarantees nothing. But since there are 7 rounds and fully half of the Super Bowl quarterbacks come from the first round your odds are a hell of a lot better with a first round quarterback. And one guy from NE screws up the odds big time.

[Luck4Reich]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

It guarantees nothing. But since there are 7 rounds and fully half of the Super Bowl quarterbacks come from the first round your odds are a hell of a lot better with a first round quarterback. And one guy from NE screws up the odds big time.

But then you have 1st round QBs Terry Bradshaw, Trent Dilfer and Jim Macmahon that won Superbowls only because they all played on the teams with the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL. That's 6 SBs that wash the 6 of Brady.

So we are back to square one... look I get it a QB in round one can help chances but not guarantee.

Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Russell Wilson, Joe Montana.... yep none of these SB winners picked in the first round.

Again.. hoping that Ballard can find us the right guy regardless of what round.... maybe he is bagging groceries somewhere.

[Luck4Reich]

I'm playing Devil's advocate more than anything. If we all agreed on everything it wouldn't be any fun.

Love to see Joe Burrow on this team.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Luck4Reich

But then you have 1st round QBs Terry Bradshaw, Trent Dilfer and Jim Macmahon that won Superbowls only because they all played on the teams with the greatest defenses in the history of the NFL. That's 6 SBs that wash the 6 of Brady.

So we are back to square one... look I get it a QB in round one can help chances but not guarantee.

Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Russell Wilson, Joe Montana.... yep none of these SB winners picked in the first round.

Again.. hoping that Ballard can find us the right guy regardless of what round.... maybe he is bagging groceries somewhere.

Going to assume you are too young to have seen Bradshaw play. Ot sure why you would lump him into that argument. He was a good QB. Swann and Stallworth didn’t throw the ball to themselves. Yes their D was good but he was also SB MVP at least once. Won 4 Super Bowls in 6 yrs He gets a bad wrap

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Puck

Going to assume you are too young to have seen Bradshaw play. Ot sure why you would lump him into that argument. He was a good QB. Swann and Stallworth didn’t throw the ball to themselves. Yes their D was good but he was also SB MVP at least once. Won 4 Super Bowls in 6 yrs He gets a bad wrap

You are so wrong. I'm old enough to have seen Bradshaw play. The first 5 years of is career, they were doing anything they could do to replace him...Terry Hanratty, Joe Gilliam, etc.

Did he develop? Yes he did, but it took so god damn long, that he surely was a bust.

So why does Bradshaw belong in the HOF over say Jim Plunkett, He doesn't ...and neither one do. Nor does Joe Namath.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

You are so wrong. I'm old enough to have seen Bradshaw play. The first 5 years of is career, they were doing anything they could do to replace him...Terry Hanratty, Joe Gilliam, etc.

Did he develop? Yes he did, but it took so god damn long, that he surely was a bust.

So why does Bradshaw belong in the HOF over say Jim Plunkett, He doesn't ...and neither one do. Nor does Joe Namath.

Namath is probably the most overrated QB of all time.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

You are so wrong. I'm old enough to have seen Bradshaw play. The first 5 years of is career, they were doing anything they could do to replace him...Terry Hanratty, Joe Gilliam, etc.

Did he develop? Yes he did, but it took so god damn long, that he surely was a bust.

So why does Bradshaw belong in the HOF over say Jim Plunkett, He doesn't ...and neither one do. Nor does Joe Namath.

Calm down old fucker....You are correct about the early years . But he developed into a very good QB . he was a 3 time pro bowler and made the all pro team once along with 4 SB's

Was he great? No but he is a lot better than the others Dilfer and McMahon he was grouped in with.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Luck4Reich

Half of the Superbowls have been won by a QB Not drafted in the first round. So drafting a guy in the first round guarantees nothing.

This is kind of misleading, especially with Brady skewing the numbers. But winning the SB is more than a QB, yet it is hard to win a SB without a decent QB. The odds of finding a franchise QB are best in the top 15 picks. Then in the first round. After that the odds start dropping dramatically. Everyone wants to remember Dak Prescott, no one wants to remember Cardale Jones. For everyone one of those hits there are 12 misses. Every round has misses, just the top half of the first has the least.

But other things should be considered. Do they have a good team around them? Did they get thrown to the fire or did they sit and learn first? Was it a good QB draft? A lot of factors figure into a QB’s success, not just his skill level and draft position. Teams may get a good QB but never win a SB, because you have to then put a team around that QB. Not every front office is good at that. Yet a good QB can cover up a lot of holes in a team and take you into the playoffs. You can win with decent QB play, but you have to be very strong in several other areas. We don’t even have average QB play, I think Brisset finished 26th, he is easy to scheme against and isn’t good enough to carry the passing game.

Just go back to ‘98 and see how many misses there are after the first.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...?type=position