Colts first UFA WR Devin Funchess

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

That was sarcasm, of course it was a joke, who would think that was literally what they said and did. And I admit I am wrong all the time.

But the question was whether Funchess had leverage. If the 2-year contract was superior in money from an equal or superior team, why not take it? You gain leverage from interest and offers. Tyrell Williams has three team interested in him, all pretty good from what I read yesterday and it should result in a decent contract. This doesn't look like Funchess had many options to me and we were the best one. I don't think he had much if any leverage. The 10 million isn't great from our end, but we have so much cap space it really doesn't matter because we aren't going to try and use it this year.

The one thing I did think about was perhaps he gave the 13 with incentives as a gesture of good will. Saying if he does well the Colts will be willing to talk a multi-year deal. But that is pure conjecture.

Fair enough. Apologies on not picking up the sarcasm.

I'm still not sure what you're trying to prove with your leverage argument. As long as there are (or at least there is a perception) of multiple bids, a player has leverage. Are you just trying to say that you wish the Colts had gotten a player that more teams were interested in signing?

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

Fair enough. Apologies on not picking up the sarcasm.

No big deal, I was actually going to delete the post since it really didn't add anything, but whatever.

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

I'm still not sure what you're trying to prove with your leverage argument. As long as there are (or at least there is a perception) of multiple bids, a player has leverage. Are you just trying to say that you wish the Colts had gotten a player that more teams were interested in signing?

I'm not really trying to prove some greater point. If he had leverage doesn't really change what the deal is or who he is. FatDT raised the question of the strategy behind the deal and whether Funcheese had any leverage since the contract seemed high for a one year. I don't think guys that sign one year deals have a lot of ground to stand on. Another offer just in of itself doesn't give someone leverage. It depends who it is from, an offer from the Saints is very different than an offer from the Cardinals. If it was a better offer for 2 years and more money, why didn't he take it?

As for the deal and him, I'm indifferent about it. I'll see how he does, maybe it works out which would be great. But I think Ebron had a little more going for him. Funchess has a lower catch percentage than Ebron and is not a great athlete for the position like Ebron. I remember Michigan fans complaining about him saying he has no hands or heart. He has done little to aleviate those criticisms. Is Funchess a better signing than Tyrell Williams who is faster at the same height? Who also has familiarity with our system and offensive coaches?

Finally, it is a one year deal. Does this really fix the WR 2 position? Is it a stop gap or a prove it deal? Is it a real attempt to shore up the WR core? Why no second year option if we are serious about him? It kind of feels half-hearted to me. It feels like when the jags signed Moncrief last year. We will have to see how the rest of FA and the draft goes.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Finally, it is a one year deal. Does this really fix the WR 2 position? Is it a stop gap or a prove it deal? Is it a real attempt to shore up the WR core? Why no second year option if we are serious about him? It kind of feels half-hearted to me. It feels like when the jags signed Moncrief last year. We will have to see how the rest of FA and the draft goes.

It's a stop gap, unless he shows something else. It puts a hot flame under Cains butt to get on the field and play well. If Ballards right, he's a genius. If he's wrong, it's beer nuts and they go fishing next FA session.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by JAFF

It's a stop gap, unless he shows something else. It puts a hot flame under Cains butt to get on the field and play well. If Ballards right, he's a genius. If he's wrong, it's beer nuts and they go fishing next FA session.

Or Ballard could be wrong and Deon Cain wins the job and provides great value at WR2. Or the same thing occurs with a rookie next year.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

No big deal, I was actually going to delete the post since it really didn't add anything, but whatever.



I'm not really trying to prove some greater point. If he had leverage doesn't really change what the deal is or who he is. FatDT raised the question of the strategy behind the deal and whether Funcheese had any leverage since the contract seemed high for a one year. I don't think guys that sign one year deals have a lot of ground to stand on. Another offer just in of itself doesn't give someone leverage. It depends who it is from, an offer from the Saints is very different than an offer from the Cardinals. If it was a better offer for 2 years and more money, why didn't he take it?

As for the deal and him, I'm indifferent about it. I'll see how he does, maybe it works out which would be great. But I think Ebron had a little more going for him. Funchess has a lower catch percentage than Ebron and is not a great athlete for the position like Ebron. I remember Michigan fans complaining about him saying he has no hands or heart. He has done little to aleviate those criticisms. Is Funchess a better signing than Tyrell Williams who is faster at the same height? Who also has familiarity with our system and offensive coaches?

Finally, it is a one year deal. Does this really fix the WR 2 position? Is it a stop gap or a prove it deal? Is it a real attempt to shore up the WR core? Why no second year option if we are serious about him? It kind of feels half-hearted to me. It feels like when the jags signed Moncrief last year. We will have to see how the rest of FA and the draft goes.

Yes. Tyrell Williams is just a deep threat who happens to be 6'4". He doesn't offer the Colts what Funchess does: a target who can beat the jam on RPOs and regular slants, as well as back shoulder passes vs man coverage. In short, Tyrell Williams is redundant to Hilton, whereas Funchess gives them something they didn't have.