Has Kenny Moore Played His Last Game as a Colt?

[Chaka]

I sure hope not, but we all know that these situations can become dicey:

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/st...06396223557634

I would say that it have been better for him to address this internally, but apparently he did raise the issue quietly before going public:

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/st...27372264898561

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

FWIW - the other Star reporter indicated that Kenny Moore II was in attendance - he just decided to skip the workouts.

https://twitter.com/NateAtkins_/stat...08203750428672

Kenny Moore II and Darius Leonard aren’t practicing today, and Stephon Gilmore wandered out late.

Moore II is here in sweats, as he’s looking for a new deal, as Joel Erickson pointed out.

[JAFF]

What will the colts do! This is the worst, dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA!

[ChaosTheory]

Apparently he's present, but working individually only. It's been a while since I remember a player sitting out due to his contract. Am I missing someone recent? It's only OTA's and they just started at that. But I'd hate to see this drag into training camp and preseason. Always hoping for a smooth, full-participation offseason.

I can understand his perspective a bit. He's currently the 27th highest paid corner (per year) and feels he's much better than the 27th best corner. And it probably doesn't help that #20 on that list was just brought to your team from another team.

Reminds me of some Bill Polian wisdom...

“Never sign a big-name player from somebody else’s team who makes more money than a bellwether on your team. You’re asking for real trouble in the locker room by doing that.”


All that said... he signed the contract. At the time, he was the highest paid slot corner in the league. He's still got two years left on it, so if they don't want to extend him now, I don't think he has a leg to stand on. Which sucks for the team because he's important.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

Apparently he's present, but working individually only. It's been a while since I remember a player sitting out due to his contract. Am I missing someone recent? It's only OTA's and they just started at that. But I'd hate to see this drag into training camp and preseason. Always hoping for a smooth, full-participation offseason.

I can understand his perspective a bit. He's currently the 27th highest paid corner (per year) and feels he's much better than the 27th best corner. And it probably doesn't help that #20 on that list was just brought to your team from another team.

Reminds me of some Bill Polian wisdom...

Never sign a big-name player from somebody else’s team who makes more money than a bellwether on your team. You’re asking for real trouble in the locker room by doing that.

All that said... he signed the contract. At the time, he was the highest paid slot corner in the league. He's still got two years left on it, so if they don't want to extend him now, I don't think he has a leg to stand on. Which sucks for the team because he's important.

That's the thing I can't stand. You signed a damn contract you were happy with, live with it. If he sucked, could the team ask him to take a pay cut? Hell no.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by Spike

[/B]If he sucked, could the team ask him to take a pay cut? Hell no.

Well, they could've cut him before he set another foot on the field. He'd keep $9m without ever contributing again and that's part of the deal he signed.

Of course that's probably another sore spot because the guaranteed money in the NFL is picking up recently. Some of these CB's are getting $20m, $30m, $40m fully guaranteed. That's before the $15m-$20m per year. You can definitely see the appeal of pushing for a new deal.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by Spike

If he sucked, could the team ask him to take a pay cut? Hell no.

I agree that the Colts haven't asked players to take pay cuts as often as Belicheat has used that maneuver in New England.

However, the Colts have made that type of request a few times over the years.

For instance, the Colts asked Marvin Harrison to take a pay cut after he put up two unproductive seasons (one of them injury-shortened) at the end of his career.

Polian didn't want a huge cap hit for an unproductive WR and wanted to renegotiate the deal.

Marvin wasn't interested in a pay cut, however.

So, in the end, the Colts released Harrison instead.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Spike

[/B]
That's the thing I can't stand. You signed a damn contract you were happy with, live with it. If he sucked, could the team ask him to take a pay cut? Hell no.

people outperform contracts. wanting a correction is not a dick move. and the colts don't have to do it.


and the team can cut him at all times. so teams don't always honor the contract so i don't see how you can blame him for looking out for himself

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

I think a lot of people forget some of the Colts players who have held out over the years.

I wouldn't say that players that hold out lack integrity - there are a lot of players that have held out.

If that is the determining factor, then:

Reggie Wayne lacks integrity.

Robert Mathis lacks integrity.

The reason why I bring up their names is because they held out at the same exact time.

They both had 2 years left on their (non-rookie) contract. Player salaries had gone up since they signed their deals so they were underpaid vs their peers. They both wanted to renegotiate their contract. Hmmm, that sounds familiar to the details in this thread.

Polian told them to go pound sand. OK, he said it a little more delicately than that but not much, because it was Polian after all. Polian hid behind the CBA negotiations a bit - he said he didn't want to sign any long term deals before knowing the details of the new CBA.

So Wayne and Mathis sat out of voluntary OTA's - this wasn't unusual for Wayne because he typically skipped OTA's anyway. Reggie preferred to work out on his own.

Next Wayne and Mathis sat out of mandatory minicamp.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ing-new-deals/


In the end, they both reported to training camp that year.

I don't think there was any hard feelings between the player and team - both Reggie and Robert signed a new deal with the Colts once their contract was finally finished.

o


And for us old-time Colts fans, our beloved Lydell Mitchell held out in 1978, which wound up forcing a trade to the Chargers.



Mitchell Extends Holdout With Colts at $500 a Day

(By Dave Brady)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-bd58cc8f2d7a/



We were able to sustain Mitchell's loss because we acquired Joe Washington in that trade with the Chargers, but the loss of Bert Jones when he separated his shoulder in the final pre-season game of that 1978 season spelled doom for the team.

o