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Originally Posted by JAFF
Cal: people go to Cal to be scientists, and they dont lower their ed standards for sports. Rodgers is smart enough and like Allen a better athlete than scouted.
But Cal has quite a list of nfl QBS: Steve Bartkowski, Vince Ferragamo (shared with Nebraska), Craig Morton, Aaron Rodgers and Joe Kapp
Texas Tech: Right coach but he left and they are back on track on a stepping stone for a good coaches next job. FYI, same problem at Purdue, before and after Tiller.
Wyoming: Ever been there? Its farm kid heaven, and closer to God at 7000+ ft above sea level. Allen was a star student in FFA, and from a small rural school, it was man , moment, history. BTW, if Tiller stays at Wyo, he would have had Brees to start, a list of very good athletes becoming good Qbs. Much like BYU, which has produced more NFL Qbs than OSU.
Clemson: new coach with new offense to take on ACC and old time coaching. Same with LSU and the SEC. Alabama had Nameth and Stabler, how many great throwing Qbs have they developed since then?
OSU has been a dominant program for two reasons, they can run the ball and they can stop the run. OSU typically have very good O and D linemen. Which attracts really good running backs. And when the weather gets crappy in October and November, you win by running the ball.
Purdue: many quarterbacks, most grads in the NFL. No national championships. How many great running backs have come from Purdue? What ever level, you win games and championships by running the ball. Its how coaches keep their jobs.
Look, college programs are not designed to be farm teams for the NFL. College teams can succeed by putting a great athlete at QB and giving him two option pass plays and then let them be athletes and run.
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My point was that school pedigree is not relevant to evaluating present day college prospects. Yes, OSU has historically been a run first program, but they haven't been that since Urban Meyer took over, and they certainly haven't been that under Ryan Day. Stroud is not just an athlete they stuck at the QB position that can't read defenses. If he were his rushing numbers would be much better and his passing numbers much worse.
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Originally Posted by JAFF
Teams dont need a great overall athletic QB to win. He needs:
1. Brains, think on the fly, teachable, accepts tough coaching
2. Arm talent. Accuracy
3. Leads by example
4. Courage, learn from mistakes
How does Stroud grade on the above
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1) I have no idea about how he "accepts tough coaching", I don't have access to Ryan Day or his staff. I haven't heard them say anything bad about him though, and his draft stock would likely fall if they did. As for the rest, the best attribute of a QB I can come up with based on your description is ability to read a defense and pre-snap reads. He does those things well for a rookie NFL QB. He uses his eyes effectively to move coverage favorably.
2) Stroud and Young are hands down the two most accurate QBs in the class. Stroud put on an arm talent masterclass against Georgia, I left a video link earlier in the thread if you care to go watch it.
3) Something that's not exactly ascertainable in game film, but I will say once again in the Georgia game he was down several players against the best defense in college football and ended up using his athleticism to put his team in position to win at the end. This was in part because Georgia's defense was so scared of him beating them with his arm that they forgot to account for him taking off out of the pocket.
4) I've seen him stand in against a pass rush and make throws knowing he was going to take a shot. He also quite frequently escapes pressure and turns a potential negative play into a positive one. He certainly doesn't shrink under pressure. He also doesn't turn the ball over much and protects it well.