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Pez 12-19-2018 07:11 AM

This would be the Sunday when...
 
A Pagano coached team would go into halftime up 17-7 on the Giants and all of us would know it was not going to be enough... The Giants would come back and win 24-23.

I'm guessing we win 21-10. We should win by an even larger margin, but I expect we see the colts vs Dallas team again... heavy pass defense, make them run the ball, stop them in the red zone.

Luck4Reich 12-19-2018 07:14 AM

Eli is going to have a bad day and get sacked 6 times and throw at least 3 picks.

albany ed 12-19-2018 07:43 AM

Let's not get cocky fellas. Colts have looked great this year and the Colts have looked really bad this year. Let's hope the former look shows up for the rest of the year.

Johanvil 12-19-2018 09:26 AM

They walk among us

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Don’t @ me. But if the Broncos move on from Vance Joseph, Chuck Pagano would be a good fit. He’s a Colorado native, and Denver has the kind of defensive weapons to play his preferred style.
https://twitter.com/gmbremer/status/1075375380146601984

Luck4Reich 12-19-2018 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 99302)
Let's not get cocky fellas. Colts have looked great this year and the Colts have looked really bad this year. Let's hope the former look shows up for the rest of the year.

Fans getting cocky will have zero impact on what the Players for the Colts do on the field.:cool:

Luck4Reich 12-19-2018 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Johanvil (Post 99319)

Do they realize what they are saying there?

Oldcolt 12-19-2018 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 99320)
Fans getting cocky will have zero impact on what the Players for the Colts do on the field.:cool:

Said by someone who has yet to experience the power of superstition

Luck4Reich 12-19-2018 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 99325)
Said by someone who has yet to experience the power of superstition

Not everyone is superstitious... I have been to 5 Colts games and they have won all 5. But no way I believe I'm the reason lol

Oldcolt 12-19-2018 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 99331)
Not everyone is superstitious... I have been to 5 Colts games and they have won all 5. But no way I believe I'm the reason lol

Well I for one hope you are gifted season tickets

Racehorse 12-19-2018 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 99334)
Well I for one hope you are gifted season tickets

Away games, too

Chromeburn 12-19-2018 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 99331)
Not everyone is superstitious... I have been to 5 Colts games and they have won all 5. But no way I believe I'm the reason lol

You must go to every game now! EVERY GAME!

TheMugwump 12-19-2018 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Johanvil (Post 99319)

Denver being in the AFC, I'm all for this move. Only thing that would be better would be him going to Jax, Houston, or Tennessee. Or the Pats.


And although I am very happy that we've moved on from Chuck and ecstatic that we Lucked (heh) into Reich, I feel that this needs to be put out there:

All-Time Colts Head Coaching Wins

Dungy - 85
Shula - 71
Marchibroda - 71 **
Ewbank - 59
Pagano - 56

** In two stints

All-Time Colts Head Coaching Win Percentage

Dungy - .759
Shula - .725
McCafferty - .667
Pagano - .552

And no, it's not like he inherited all of Dungy's talent. That would be Jim Caldwell you are thinking of.

Of course, you would have to factor in the Bruce Arians factor, which I'm not sure how to calculate. And yes, the team got consistently worse and worse.

Again, I'm not a fan of Pagano, but he was FAR from the worst coach in franchise history. Go ahead and blast me. I can't believe those numbers myself.

However, as someone once said, you are what your record says you are.

Racehorse 12-19-2018 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 99350)
Denver being in the AFC, I'm all for this move. Only thing that would be better would be him going to Jax, Houston, or Tennessee. Or the Pats.


And although I am very happy that we've moved on from Chuck and ecstatic that we Lucked (heh) into Reich, I feel that this needs to be put out there:

All-Time Colts Head Coaching Wins

Dungy - 85
Shula - 71
Marchibroda - 71 **
Ewbank - 59
Pagano - 56

** In two stints

All-Time Colts Head Coaching Win Percentage

Dungy - .759
Shula - .725
McCafferty - .667
Pagano - .552

And no, it's not like he inherited all of Dungy's talent. That would be Jim Caldwell you are thinking of.

Of course, you would have to factor in the Bruce Arians factor, which I'm not sure how to calculate. And yes, the team got consistently worse and worse.

Again, I'm not a fan of Pagano, but he was FAR from the worst coach in franchise history. Go ahead and blast me. I can't believe those numbers myself.

However, as someone once said, you are what your record says you are.

Dam hacked your account

FatDT 12-19-2018 12:47 PM

A look at his division record vs. teams outside the division is all you need to see. The AFC South was incredibly weak during the Grigson/Pagano era.

Racehorse 12-19-2018 12:53 PM

As a serious follow-up, I think it was Cowherd who said, speaking of the Steelers, that momentum of a franchise is a real thing and Tomlin was beneficiary of the momentum of the franchise under Bill Cowher. He went on to say that he was successful the first five years because of the momentum, but after that, momentum was lost and they are in a downward spiral.

Pagano benefited from the Dungy momentum, and spiraled down even faster than Tomlin has. You could say Caldwell slowed the momentum, but, either way, Pagano put the brakes on it. Reich is building positive momentum that we hope will last a decade or more.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-.../1324262467557

As Ed says, the future is bright!

Dam8610 12-19-2018 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 99293)
A Pagano coached team would go into halftime up 17-7 on the Giants and all of us would know it was not going to be enough... The Giants would come back and win 24-23.

I'm guessing we win 21-10. We should win by an even larger margin, but I expect we see the colts vs Dallas team again... heavy pass defense, make them run the ball, stop them in the red zone.

You want to force them to run with Saquan Barkley rather than pass with Eli Manning? Put 8 in the box and make a declining Eli beat you, because that would be very difficult for him. Barkley could turn it into a track meet.

Dam8610 12-19-2018 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 99331)
Not everyone is superstitious... I have been to 5 Colts games and they have won all 5. But no way I believe I'm the reason lol

In the Super Bowl year I got my Bob Sanders jersey autographed and ended up ruining it by the end of the year because the Colts were something absurd like 12-0 when I wore it on game day, including the AFC Championship game and the Super Bowl.

Oldcolt 12-19-2018 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 99359)
In the Super Bowl year I got my Bob Sanders jersey autographed and ended up ruining it by the end of the year because the Colts were something absurd like 12-0 when I wore it on game day, including the AFC Championship game and the Super Bowl.

You are a good man

DrSpaceman 12-19-2018 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 99357)
As a serious follow-up, I think it was Cowherd who said, speaking of the Steelers, that momentum of a franchise is a real thing and Tomlin was beneficiary of the momentum of the franchise under Bill Cowher. He went on to say that he was successful the first five years because of the momentum, but after that, momentum was lost and they are in a downward spiral.

Pagano benefited from the Dungy momentum, and spiraled down even faster than Tomlin has. You could say Caldwell slowed the momentum, but, either way, Pagano put the brakes on it. Reich is building positive momentum that we hope will last a decade or more.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-.../1324262467557

As Ed says, the future is bright!

In defense of Tomlin, who I think gets unfairly criticized by a franchise and fans with very high expectations, momentum from a prior head coach does not last 5 years in the NFL. A year, maybe two, not five

Five years is an ETERNITY in the NFL, especially when you consider the average NFL player is in the league 4 years.

Tomlin may benefit from other parts of the Pitt organization, like the front office, owner, overall philosophy, etc. That is different than "momentum" from the prior head coach though.

Also the reality is Cowher got incredibly lucky on his Superbowl run in 2006, in so many ways. We know that firsthand.

Carson Palmer gets injured in first quarter vs. Steelers, they beat a back up

they outplayed the Colts in the playoffs, but they catch a great Colts team, probably the best since they have been in Indy, on a down week with Dungy's son just having committed suicide shortly before the playoffs. The horrible AV miss to tie. The phantom tackle by Roethlisberger on what should have been a defensive TD return.

That Superbowl, the refs basically handed it to them with horrible calls.

ChileColts 12-19-2018 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 99385)
In defense of Tomlin, who I think gets unfairly criticized by a franchise and fans with very high expectations, momentum from a prior head coach does not last 5 years in the NFL. A year, maybe two, not five

Five years is an ETERNITY in the NFL, especially when you consider the average NFL player is in the league 4 years.

Tomlin may benefit from other parts of the Pitt organization, like the front office, owner, overall philosophy, etc. That is different than "momentum" from the prior head coach though.

Also the reality is Cowher got incredibly lucky on his Superbowl run in 2006, in so many ways. We know that firsthand.

Carson Palmer gets injured in first quarter vs. Steelers, they beat a back up

they outplayed the Colts in the playoffs, but they catch a great Colts team, probably the best since they have been in Indy, on a down week with Dungy's son just having committed suicide shortly before the playoffs. The horrible AV miss to tie. The phantom tackle by Roethlisberger on what should have been a defensive TD return.

That Superbowl, the refs basically handed it to them with horrible calls.

I think that was the A-hole Mike Vanderjagt

Pez 12-19-2018 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 99358)
You want to force them to run with Saquan Barkley rather than pass with Eli Manning? Put 8 in the box and make a declining Eli beat you, because that would be very difficult for him. Barkley could turn it into a track meet.

I thought it was pretty counter intuitive to dare Ezekiel Elliot to run as well.

Dam8610 12-19-2018 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pez (Post 99394)
I thought it was pretty counter intuitive to dare Ezekiel Elliot to run as well.

Barkley is more of a home run threat to me than Elliott. Elliott is the type of back who will get his numbers with touches, whereas Barkley can potentially break a game open with a couple of runs, at least that's my view.

VeveJones007 12-19-2018 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 99399)
Barkley is more of a home run threat to me than Elliott. Elliott is the type of back who will get his numbers with touches, whereas Barkley can potentially break a game open with a couple of runs, at least that's my view.

Yep. Just need to be really disciplined and play fast. Barkley can bounce a blown up run and take it to the house. Hopefully the DL plays as well as it did last week. They should be able to put a lot of pressure on Eli.

DrSpaceman 12-19-2018 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ChileColts (Post 99393)
I think that was the A-hole Mike Vanderjagt

Right sorry, vanderjagt, note Vinatieri

That was why they signed Vinatieri, to avoid horrible clutch kicks like that one

njcoltfan 12-19-2018 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChileColts (Post 99393)
I think that was the A-hole Mike Vanderjagt

It was, as Manning put it, " the liquored up kicker".

JAFF 12-19-2018 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChileColts (Post 99393)
I think that was the A-hole Mike Vanderjagt

LOL, damn, that's a universal feeling. Didn't he miss the field on that kick? Didn't hit out of bounds on the right side of the field, it missed the end zone cone?

DrSpaceman 12-19-2018 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 99435)
LOL, damn, that's a universal feeling. Didn't he miss the field on that kick? Didn't hit out of bounds on the right side of the field, it missed the end zone cone?

It was bad. Wide right like 30 yards. Not even close. Worst clutch kick I have ever seen.

Thorgrim 12-19-2018 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 99445)
It was bad. Wide right like 30 yards. Not even close. Worst clutch kick I have ever seen.

I really grew to detest that guy yet it was his fg in the snow at a night game in Denver many years ago that changed me from a lurker to a poster on the RATS board.


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