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sherck 10-17-2018 07:56 AM

Oh, this is sad…..
 
So, based on how poorly our WRs have been playing, I went ahead and looked at free agent WRs for 2019. Based on their current number of catches in 2018, those who are under 29 years of age are:

28 receptions / Chester Rogers / IND / 25 years old (Restricted Free Agent)
26 receptions / Ryan Grant / IND / 28 years old
23 receptions / Devin Funchess / CAR / 25 years old
22 receptions / Quincy Enunwa / NYJ / 27 years old
19 receptions / Phillip Dorsett / NE / 26 years old
19 receptions / Geronimo Allison / GB / 25 years old (Restricted Free Agent)
18 receptions / Donte Moncrief / JAX / 26 years old
16 receptions / Adam Humphries / TB / 26 years old
16 receptions / Tyrell Williams / LAC / 27 years old
16 receptions / Rashad Higgins / CLE / 24 years old (Restricted Free Agent)
14 receptions / Martavis Bryant / OAK / 27 years old
14 receptions / Robby Anderson / NYJ / 26 years old (Restricted Free Agent)
14 receptions / Zach Pascal / IND / 24 years old (Exclusive Rights Free Agent)

Of the top 13 productive WR free agents, 3 are current Colts (whom we are already down on) and two are ex-Colts whom we are down on (Dorsett and Moncrief). Of the remaining 8, three are Restricted Free Agents and will possibly cost a draft pick in order to sign.

Obviously, a long time before the end of the season and lots of things can change but of the potential choices, I think Funchess, Allison, Humphries and Bryant are the most interesting.

However, don’t expect Ballard to be able to sign a stud or two at WR and “fix” our WR issues. Expect our WR corps to be Hilton and then a whole bunch of “who dats” next year as well.

Earn the #3 overall pick, trade down again for more 2nd round picks for a total of 4 and then of our top five picks (1st and 2nd round), make at least one if not two of them WR. We have GOT to have better WR play and if we can't sign them, we need to grow them.

Walk Worthy,

YDFL Commish 10-17-2018 09:15 AM

Yep, looks like we'll be praying that Deon Cain becomes a breakout player next season.

Brylok 10-17-2018 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 86618)
Yep, looks like we'll be praying that Deon Cain becomes a breakout player next season.

and Fountain

Oldcolt 10-17-2018 11:15 AM

Not so much sad as the way it always is. I cannot think of the last impact receiver who made it to free agency in his prime. This almost has to be done thru the draft or thru a trade.

GoBigBlue88 10-17-2018 11:24 AM

And watch this for fun!

https://twitter.com/WerColtsPodcast/...33087004884993

If you're Dam, you'll interpret that to: Luck is the problem.

Coltsalr 10-17-2018 11:38 AM

So, how about a first round WR?

*ducks*

sherck 10-17-2018 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 86649)
So, how about a first round WR?

*ducks*

If we get a Reggie Wayne or Marvin Harrison? Sure.

If we get an Anthony Gonzalez or Phillip Dorsett? No thanks.

And that is the rub of 1st round speciality positions. Doing your homework is important when you use that high of draft capital on a boom or bust position.

I probably still lean towards O-Line or D-Front Seven for almost every first round pick from here until time runs out.

I just think more football games are won by teams with the ability to protect their passer/open holes and those that can control the run and pressure opposing QBs. You need to ocassionally pick a franchise QB and ocassionally get incredible value at CB or Safety or WR or RB but otherwise? Build the lines.

In 2019 if Ballard's top rated person left when we pick is a WR? I would be a-okay with it.

My guess is that when the season ends and we look at our weakest position groups, it will be WR and CB. Strengthening either to NFL average/NFL good will help the team greatly.

Walk Worthy,

DrSpaceman 10-17-2018 11:53 AM

I wouldn't mind Martavis Bryant as a FA

Only one I would consider. All others are a hard pass

And no, don't draft a WR at the top. You can find productive WRs throughout the draft.

rcubed 10-17-2018 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 86646)
And watch this for fun!

https://twitter.com/WerColtsPodcast/...33087004884993

If you're Dam, you'll interpret that to: Luck is the problem.

depressing.

Dewey 5 10-17-2018 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 86616)
So, based on how poorly our WRs have been playing, I went ahead and looked at free agent WRs for 2019. Based on their current number of catches in 2018, those who are under 29 years of age are:

28 receptions / Chester Rogers / IND / 25 years old (Restricted Free Agent)
26 receptions / Ryan Grant / IND / 28 years old
23 receptions / Devin Funchess / CAR / 25 years old
22 receptions / Quincy Enunwa / NYJ / 27 years old
19 receptions / Phillip Dorsett / NE / 26 years old
19 receptions / Geronimo Allison / GB / 25 years old (Restricted Free Agent)
18 receptions / Donte Moncrief / JAX / 26 years old
16 receptions / Adam Humphries / TB / 26 years old
16 receptions / Tyrell Williams / LAC / 27 years old
16 receptions / Rashad Higgins / CLE / 24 years old (Restricted Free Agent)
14 receptions / Martavis Bryant / OAK / 27 years old
14 receptions / Robby Anderson / NYJ / 26 years old (Restricted Free Agent)
14 receptions / Zach Pascal / IND / 24 years old (Exclusive Rights Free Agent)

Of the top 13 productive WR free agents, 3 are current Colts (whom we are already down on) and two are ex-Colts whom we are down on (Dorsett and Moncrief). Of the remaining 8, three are Restricted Free Agents and will possibly cost a draft pick in order to sign.

Obviously, a long time before the end of the season and lots of things can change but of the potential choices, I think Funchess, Allison, Humphries and Bryant are the most interesting.

However, don’t expect Ballard to be able to sign a stud or two at WR and “fix” our WR issues. Expect our WR corps to be Hilton and then a whole bunch of “who dats” next year as well.

Earn the #3 overall pick, trade down again for more 2nd round picks for a total of 4 and then of our top five picks (1st and 2nd round), make at least one if not two of them WR. We have GOT to have better WR play and if we can't sign them, we need to grow them.

Walk Worthy,

If we are drafting in the top 3 & don't take Bosa or Oliver I will not be pleased.

njcoltfan 10-17-2018 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 86646)
And watch this for fun!

https://twitter.com/WerColtsPodcast/...33087004884993

If you're Dam, you'll interpret that to: Luck is the problem.

Great stuff GBB !!!

smitty46953 10-17-2018 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 86646)
And watch this for fun!

https://twitter.com/WerColtsPodcast/...33087004884993

If you're Dam, you'll interpret that to: Luck is the problem.

That was painful … :eek:

1965southpaw 10-17-2018 02:02 PM

Yes, it was......but then I scrolled down and watched this about 10 times and I felt so much better. I'm still crying/laughing.

https://twitter.com/lucasmurphy5/sta...55943667814406

Chromeburn 10-17-2018 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 86640)
and Fountain

And our high draft pick which one will definetly be a receiver

VeveJones007 10-17-2018 02:49 PM

2nd & 3rd rounds have been pretty strong for WRs in recent years with guys like Michael Thomas, Juju Smith-Schuster, and Cooper Kupp. I'm hoping for a good player to drop to one of the Colts 2nd rounders.

Maniac 10-17-2018 02:54 PM

Rotoworld is saying that Doyle and Grant both didn't practice and that TY is going to test the hamstring today and tomorrow.

njcoltfan 10-17-2018 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesusChrist (Post 86695)
Rotoworld is saying that Doyle and Grant both didn't practice and that TY is going to test the hamstring today and tomorrow.

Did Doyle break that hip?

Racehorse 10-17-2018 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSpaceman (Post 86651)
I wouldn't mind Martavis Bryant as a FA

Only one I would consider. All others are a hard pass

And no, don't draft a WR at the top. You can find productive WRs throughout the draft.

I was thinking Funchess was the only name that I would take a flyer on.

1965southpaw 10-17-2018 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 86707)
Did Doyle break that hip?

Per Keven Bowen, Doyle likely not to return until after the bye week.

DrSpaceman 10-18-2018 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 86746)
I was thinking Funchess was the only name that I would take a flyer on.

Panthers don't really have a deep WR group either, I think we'd have to overpay to get Funchess away from Carolina. I would think they will work hard to keep him

He is pretty good though

Dam8610 10-18-2018 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 86646)
And watch this for fun!

https://twitter.com/WerColtsPodcast/...33087004884993

If you're Dam, you'll interpret that to: Luck is the problem.

With all those drops, I saw 2 INTs. Luck has 10 turnovers on the year. Luck's ball security issues are the reason this team is 1-5.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 86649)
So, how about a first round WR?

*ducks*

Not with a top 10 pick and a need at practically every position on the DL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 86650)
If we get a Reggie Wayne or Marvin Harrison? Sure.

If we get an Anthony Gonzalez or Phillip Dorsett? No thanks.

And that is the rub of 1st round speciality positions. Doing your homework is important when you use that high of draft capital on a boom or bust position.

I probably still lean towards O-Line or D-Front Seven for almost every first round pick from here until time runs out.

I just think more football games are won by teams with the ability to protect their passer/open holes and those that can control the run and pressure opposing QBs. You need to ocassionally pick a franchise QB and ocassionally get incredible value at CB or Safety or WR or RB but otherwise? Build the lines.

In 2019 if Ballard's top rated person left when we pick is a WR? I would be a-okay with it.

My guess is that when the season ends and we look at our weakest position groups, it will be WR and CB. Strengthening either to NFL average/NFL good will help the team greatly.

Walk Worthy,

1) Absolutely agree with the build the lines philosophy.

2) Anthony Gonzalez was actually pretty good when healthy. He just couldn't stay healthy.

Puck 10-18-2018 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 86820)
With all those drops, I saw 2 INTs. Luck has 10 turnovers on the year. Luck's ball security issues are the reason this team is 1-5.



Not with a top 10 pick and a need at practically every position on the DL.



1) Absolutely agree with the build the lines philosophy.

2) Anthony Gonzalez was actually pretty good when healthy. He just couldn't stay healthy.


We do not need every position on the dline!!!!!!

We have Lewis, Turay/Autry. So that leaves 2 spots NT and RDE if you dont think Muhammad can work into a starting role. Otherwise 1 spot at NT. Sure they could add some more depth but for depth you have Ridgeway Ward and either Turay or Autry one is starters one is backup. and possibly Hunt if he keeps playing as well as he has.

Just saying the D line is not near as bad as you like to pretend it is.

Chromeburn 10-18-2018 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 86649)
So, how about a first round WR?

*ducks*

If you could guarantee it’s a Calvin Johnson or AJ Green I would consider it. But really a WR in the first have become very hit or miss. A late rounder I would consider more than a top 15. Also you can find gems in later rounds. You might have to use more picks, but guys are there.

omahacolt 10-18-2018 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 86820)
With all those drops, I saw 2 INTs. Luck has 10 turnovers on the year. Luck's ball security issues are the reason this team is 1-5.



Not with a top 10 pick and a need at practically every position on the DL.



1) Absolutely agree with the build the lines philosophy.

2) Anthony Gonzalez was actually pretty good when healthy. He just couldn't stay healthy.

when did you get to be so dumb? i know it was at least a few years ago. but when did you actually turn the corner and became a full fledged tard?

omahacolt 10-18-2018 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 86839)
We do not need every position on the dline!!!!!!

We have Lewis, Turay/Autry. So that leaves 2 spots NT and RDE if you dont think Muhammad can work into a starting role. Otherwise 1 spot at NT. Sure they could add some more depth but for depth you have Ridgeway Ward and either Turay or Autry one is starters one is backup. and possibly Hunt if he keeps playing as well as he has.

Just saying the D line is not near as bad as you like to pretend it is.

lewis has never played a down. turay and autry are anyones guess if they can be a viable starter. muhammad sucks.

this dline could turn out to be good but i don't think it is. i have a feeling we will start to see how really bad it is now that the offenses have seen how we run our d.

FatDT 10-19-2018 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 86867)
i have a feeling we will start to see how really bad it is now that the offenses have seen how we run our d.

It's a new look from the Colts but it's not a new look. OCs probably studied Dallas from the past 3 years when prepping for our defense. With tape out there yeah, they'll have better ideas of which player does what. But I don't think it'll be a drastic change. My impression is that defenses do more tailoring to what their opponent does, and offenses focus more on executing their system with less regard for attacking weaknesses

VeveJones007 10-19-2018 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 86820)
With all those drops, I saw 2 INTs. Luck has 10 turnovers on the year. Luck's ball security issues are the reason this team is 1-5.

If I told you in August that Luck would be averaging 48 attempts/game after he missed an entire season to a shoulder injury, wouldn't you have expected some rust and turnovers?

Also, people keep stating the team's 2018 record like it matters.

Spike 10-19-2018 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 86820)
With all those drops, I saw 2 INTs. Luck has 10 turnovers on the year. Luck's ball security issues are the reason this team is 1-5

Luck is the least of the Colt problems. They surround him with shit and expect him to do miracles.


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