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sherck 09-25-2018 07:43 AM

Way, Way, Way too early 2019 Mock Draft
 
They have us picking 12th and snagging the first O-Lineman taken:
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12. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS – OT DALTON RISNER, KANSAS STATE
The Colts continue to rebuild their offensive line with one of the nation’s most productive offensive tackles. Risner has only allowed one pressure on 128 attempts this season.
Taken 2 spots behind us:
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14. BALTIMORE RAVENS - OT JONAH WILLIAMS, ALABAMA
Williams continues to improve and he’s been nearly flawless in pass protection this season, allowing only two pressures on 132 attempts through four weeks. He can step in at right tackle for the Ravens.
If our coaches think that he is an eventual Left OT in the NFL, I would be all for this choice. Play him at RT until Castonzo is ready to retire/becomes ineffective and then slide him to LT for the long-term.

Add a WR early and then all defense all draft long.

Walk Worthy,

omahacolt 09-25-2018 08:10 AM

I wouldn’t hate oline again but I really want defense. Early and often

njcoltfan 09-25-2018 08:48 AM

You’re right, too early

Dam8610 09-25-2018 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 82072)
They have us picking 12th and snagging the first O-Lineman taken:


Taken 2 spots behind us:


If our coaches think that he is an eventual Left OT in the NFL, I would be all for this choice. Play him at RT until Castonzo is ready to retire/becomes ineffective and then slide him to LT for the long-term.

Add a WR early and then all defense all draft long.

Walk Worthy,

Way too early, but given the DL talent that's supposed to be in this draft class, I'd be disappointed if the Colts didn't walk away from Days 1 and 2 with an improved DL.

FatDT 09-25-2018 09:07 AM

I'd rather go DL in the draft, OL in FA.

Unfortunately the 2019 free agent tackles are 32 year old Jared Veldheer and a bunch of nobodies.

Maybe a 2nd rounder for OT.

omahacolt 09-25-2018 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 82088)
I'd rather go DL in the draft, OL in FA.

Unfortunately the 2019 free agent tackles are 32 year old Jared Veldheer and a bunch of nobodies.

Maybe a 2nd rounder for OT.

That is the nice thing, if Ballard is smart, our cash will be used smartly to let us be flexible in the draft

Chromeburn 09-25-2018 01:03 PM

I want a 3 tech or a tackle. LT’s are so hard to find may have to spend a 1st on one if the opportunity is there.

Coltsalr 09-25-2018 01:20 PM

I suppose it’s too much to ask for Demarcus Lawrence to be available AND for us to sign him.

I’m sure Eberflus would love to have his old player in Indy.

sherck 09-25-2018 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 82120)
I suppose it’s too much to ask for Demarcus Lawrence to be available AND for us to sign him.

I’m sure Eberflus would love to have his old player in Indy.

That would be great!

DE Lawrence in free agency.
OT in 1st round.
At least one of the 2nd round picks be 3-tech.

Keep strengthing the trenches!

Walk Worthy,

Puck 09-25-2018 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 82082)
Way too early, but given the DL talent that's supposed to be in this draft class, I'd be disappointed if the Colts didn't walk away from Days 1 and 2 with an improved DL.

Arent you a draft for need guy? Our NEEDs are OT's the Dline is light years ahead of our OT's... In fact right now on a NEED basis we need CB's and WR's as well as a REAL RB before we NEED anyone on the Dline.

Here is how I would rank our needs at this point in order of importance

1....2 OT's
2....2 CB's
3....a legit #2 WR
4....3 tech
5.... DE
6.... RB

omahacolt 09-25-2018 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 82130)
Arent you a draft for need guy? Our NEEDs are OT's the Dline is light years ahead of our OT's... In fact right now on a NEED basis we need CB's and WR's as well as a REAL RB before we NEED anyone on the Dline.

Here is how I would rank our needs at this point in order of importance

1....2 OT's
2....2 CB's
3....a legit #2 WR
4....3 tech
5.... DE
6.... RB

This is way off base

Dam8610 09-25-2018 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 82130)
Arent you a draft for need guy? Our NEEDs are OT's the Dline is light years ahead of our OT's... In fact right now on a NEED basis we need CB's and WR's as well as a REAL RB before we NEED anyone on the Dline.

Here is how I would rank our needs at this point in order of importance

1....2 OT's
2....2 CB's
3....a legit #2 WR
4....3 tech
5.... DE
6.... RB

My philosophy has always been to draft the player who most closely fills both BPA and need.

Also, I wholeheartedly disagree with your need ranking, mine would be:

1) Legitimate pass rush threat preferably at DE
2) WR
T3) 3-tech UT
T3) OT
5) CB
6) SLB

Guys like Nick Bosa, Ed Oliver, Clelin Ferrell, Austin Bryant, etc. are the players I hope Ballard will be looking at in Round 1, not OTs.

Puck 09-25-2018 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 82173)
This is way off base

No it’s not.

Enlighten me

Puck 09-25-2018 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 82181)
My philosophy has always been to draft the player who most closely fills both BPA and need.

Also, I wholeheartedly disagree with your need ranking, mine would be:

1) Legitimate pass rush threat preferably at DE
2) WR
T3) 3-tech UT
T3) OT
5) CB
6) SLB

Guys like Nick Bosa, Ed Oliver, Clelin Ferrell, Austin Bryant, etc. are the players I hope Ballard will be looking at in Round 1, not OTs.

We’re not that far off

omahacolt 09-25-2018 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 82196)
No it’s not.

Enlighten me

2 ots and 2 cbs? That makes no sense

Especially not before de. Also we need a dominant 3 tech

Voosh 09-25-2018 09:01 PM

Go OL and DL early.

Dam8610 09-25-2018 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 82198)
2 ots and 2 cbs? That makes no sense

Especially not before de. Also we need a dominant 3 tech

Somehow getting Bosa and Ferrell would be amazing (and likely impossible).

Dewey 5 09-25-2018 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 82181)
My philosophy has always been to draft the player who most closely fills both BPA and need.

Also, I wholeheartedly disagree with your need ranking, mine would be:

1) Legitimate pass rush threat preferably at DE
2) WR
T3) 3-tech UT
T3) OT
5) CB
6) SLB

Guys like Nick Bosa, Ed Oliver, Clelin Ferrell, Austin Bryant, etc. are the players I hope Ballard will be looking at in Round 1, not OTs.

Bosa & Oilver will be gone top 3. Qb Justin Herbert is in there as well.

Again way early but I think the giants will be a drafting at least in the top 5 & will take Herbert. They have to take a qb this year. Just taking a quick look all the bottom tier teams drafted their franchise qb last year so the giants could trade down with us depending on where we finish & still land their future qb. Now Ballard has a bunch of draft capital that he can put together a trade to possibly move up to get Oliver or Bosa. Depending on what it takes to get either one of those guys I would certainly be willing to move up. Oilver & Bosa are impact game changers. This going to be a very intriguing draft.

Butter 09-25-2018 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 82198)
2 ots and 2 cbs? That makes no sense

Especially not before de. Also we need a dominant 3 tech

Agreed, An early and late OT might be ok, but AC should have several more years, so we really only need 1. I don't get the 2 CBs thing in the more Zone based D we are playing, 1 at some point, but I think we can find some quality in FA also. We still need to find a dominant edge rusher. that is clearly job number 1.

Dam8610 09-26-2018 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 82205)
Bosa & Oilver will be gone top 3. Qb Justin Herbert is in there as well.

Again way early but I think the giants will be a drafting at least in the top 5 & will take Herbert. They have to take a qb this year. Just taking a quick look all the bottom tier teams drafted their franchise qb last year so the giants could trade down with us depending on where we finish & still land their future qb. Now Ballard has a bunch of draft capital that he can put together a trade to possibly move up to get Oliver or Bosa. Depending on what it takes to get either one of those guys I would certainly be willing to move up. Oilver & Bosa are impact game changers. This going to be a very intriguing draft.

I feel like Oliver might fall due to lack of pass rush production, he has 0 sacks this season, and 10.5 for his collegiate career. He's a TFL machine, though.

Puck 09-26-2018 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 82207)
Agreed, An early and late OT might be ok, but AC should have several more years, so we really only need 1. I don't get the 2 CBs thing in the more Zone based D we are playing, 1 at some point, but I think we can find some quality in FA also. We still need to find a dominant edge rusher. that is clearly job number 1.

As it stands right now we are tied for 4th in QB pressures.... but cannot protect Luck with no RT and a LT that is possible done. Quincy Wilson is not very good Moore is too small and we are basically starting 2nd string Cb's . Great CB's improve the pass rush.

I would be Ok with a DE but I think 3 Tech is just as important

this is how I see this team right now.... all could change in a few games or at seasons end

omahacolt 09-26-2018 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 82249)
As it stands right now we are tied for 4th in QB pressures.... but cannot protect Luck with no RT and a LT that is possible done. Quincy Wilson is not very good Moore is too small and we are basically starting 2nd string Cb's . Great CB's improve the pass rush.

I would be Ok with a DE but I think 3 Tech is just as important

this is how I see this team right now.... all could change in a few games or at seasons end

You think AC is possibly done? Because of a hamstring injury?

Puck 09-26-2018 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 82253)
You think AC is possibly done? Because of a hamstring injury?


I think there might be more to it than that. If he tore his hammy he is out for the yr. He's not even practicing as far as I know. Hope hes back but like I said my order of need is based on right now

omahacolt 09-26-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 82254)
I think there might be more to it than that. If he tore his hammy he is out for the yr. He's not even practicing as far as I know. Hope hes back but like I said my order of need is based on right now

That is absurd

JMichael557 09-26-2018 02:21 PM

Based on where we draft and who is available take the best Pass Rusher or OT with first Pick.

Second Round WR, I am hoping for David Sills out of WV. With 2nd pick of 2nd Round either an OT or Pass Rusher based upon first Round choice.

Third Round CB or RB.

Chromeburn 09-26-2018 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 82205)
Bosa & Oilver will be gone top 3. Qb Justin Herbert is in there as well.

Again way early but I think the giants will be a drafting at least in the top 5 & will take Herbert. They have to take a qb this year. Just taking a quick look all the bottom tier teams drafted their franchise qb last year so the giants could trade down with us depending on where we finish & still land their future qb. Now Ballard has a bunch of draft capital that he can put together a trade to possibly move up to get Oliver or Bosa. Depending on what it takes to get either one of those guys I would certainly be willing to move up. Oilver & Bosa are impact game changers. This going to be a very intriguing draft.

I would go Oliver in that deal and not look back. They just don’t make DTs with that athletiscm and speed very often. Having him in the middle would keep Leonard free for the next decade plus provide little pocket for QBs to step into.

GoBigBlue88 09-27-2018 07:35 AM

If Colts take another OL in first round next year, I will be pissed.

sherck 09-27-2018 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 82378)
If Colts take another OL in first round next year, I will be pissed.

It does not matter to me where; but the Colts need to find another starting calibre OT for 2019 better than the likes of Good, Clark and Haeg.

I like those guys as depth but all are, at best, average NFL starters.

If that guy can be found in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, then great. Draft a DE or 3-tech in the 1st, a WR in the first 4 rounds, the OT and then defense all the rest of the way.

I am not demanded an OT in the first....but we need to add another starting quality one next year and free agency at OT is thin, thin, thin.

Top 15 OT UFAs for 2019 by 2018 salary:
32 year old Jared Veldheer
30 year old Bobby Massie
27 year old Seantrel Henderson
25 year old Erik Flowers
33 year old Ty Nsekhe
30 year old Ben Ijalana
26 year old Cameron Fleming
27 year old Cedric Ogbuehi
27 year old Ja'Wuan James
28 year old Brent Qvale
28 year old Jordan Mills
29 year old Byron Bell
26 year old Donovan Smith
28 year old LaAdrian Waddle

The ONLY guy that I am even mildly interested from the entire OT free agent class is Miami's Ja'Wuan james who is coming off his rookie contract (5th year as a former 1st round pick) but has only played in 50 of a possible 67 games in his career. He has started every game he has played in and played well but he has only played a full season twice in four years.

Miami currently has $21m of free cap space for 2019 which is fairly tight this time of year and while they have some high profile free agents, many are old (DE Cameron Wake 37 years old, DE William Hayes 33 years old, RB Frank Gore 35 years old, LT Sam Young 32 years old).

I cannot image that James will not be a pretty high priority to them and with the weather, lifestyle and state tax free conditions, he might be willing to give a hometown discount.

Other than James, no one else is better than Clark/Good/Haeg and we need better than them, IMO.

Walk Worthy,

GoBigBlue88 09-27-2018 10:14 AM

I'm just saying: this line already has 3 first-round picks and a high second-round pick as a reserve. It doesn't need more first-round picks. It needs health and consistency.

Chromeburn 09-27-2018 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 82398)
I'm just saying: this line already has 3 first-round picks and a high second-round pick as a reserve. It doesn't need more first-round picks. It needs health and consistency.

I agree, and this may cause some problems in the future when they need to resign people. However, if a possible starting LT is there I think I pull the trigger if all things being equal. They are so hard to find, I would use the pick. Of course, this depends how the board falls and who is there. I usually say BPA is the best step forward.

Depends how these OT's are ranked coming out. I suspect all the d-line coming out will be ranked higher.

Dam8610 09-27-2018 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 82399)
I agree, and this may cause some problems in the future when they need to resign people. However, if a possible starting LT is there I think I pull the trigger if all things being equal. They are so hard to find, I would use the pick. Of course, this depends how the board falls and who is there. I usually say BPA is the best step forward.

Depends how these OT's are ranked coming out. I suspect all the d-line coming out will be ranked higher.

If you've got an elite pass rush threat at DE or 3-tech and an elite LT on the board at the pick, take the pass rusher. This team has practically nothing invested in its DL and quite a bit invested in its OL. This team needs at least one elite pass rusher, probably more like two.

indycolts2 09-27-2018 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 82130)
Arent you a draft for need guy? Our NEEDs are OT's the Dline is light years ahead of our OT's... In fact right now on a NEED basis we need CB's and WR's as well as a REAL RB before we NEED anyone on the Dline.

Here is how I would rank our needs at this point in order of importance

1....2 OT's
2....2 CB's
3....a legit #2 WR
4....3 tech
5.... DE
6.... RB

We will not know until next season but I suspect Deon Cain could be that coveted #2 or at least #3.

indycolts2 09-27-2018 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 82390)
It does not matter to me where; but the Colts need to find another starting calibre OT for 2019 better than the likes of Good, Clark and Haeg.

I like those guys as depth but all are, at best, average NFL starters.

If that guy can be found in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, then great. Draft a DE or 3-tech in the 1st, a WR in the first 4 rounds, the OT and then defense all the rest of the way.

I am not demanded an OT in the first....but we need to add another starting quality one next year and free agency at OT is thin, thin, thin.

Top 15 OT UFAs for 2019 by 2018 salary:
32 year old Jared Veldheer
30 year old Bobby Massie
27 year old Seantrel Henderson
25 year old Erik Flowers
33 year old Ty Nsekhe
30 year old Ben Ijalana
26 year old Cameron Fleming
27 year old Cedric Ogbuehi
27 year old Ja'Wuan James
28 year old Brent Qvale
28 year old Jordan Mills
29 year old Byron Bell
26 year old Donovan Smith
28 year old LaAdrian Waddle

The ONLY guy that I am even mildly interested from the entire OT free agent class is Miami's Ja'Wuan james who is coming off his rookie contract (5th year as a former 1st round pick) but has only played in 50 of a possible 67 games in his career. He has started every game he has played in and played well but he has only played a full season twice in four years.

Miami currently has $21m of free cap space for 2019 which is fairly tight this time of year and while they have some high profile free agents, many are old (DE Cameron Wake 37 years old, DE William Hayes 33 years old, RB Frank Gore 35 years old, LT Sam Young 32 years old).

I cannot image that James will not be a pretty high priority to them and with the weather, lifestyle and state tax free conditions, he might be willing to give a hometown discount.

Other than James, no one else is better than Clark/Good/Haeg and we need better than them, IMO.

Walk Worthy,

HMMM.....that Ijalana guy us intriguing...lmao

Racehorse 09-27-2018 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by indycolts2 (Post 82447)
HMMM.....that Ijalana guy us intriguing...lmao

Ben once said, "now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time." Of course, it was not THAT Ben

Chromeburn 09-27-2018 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 82412)
If you've got an elite pass rush threat at DE or 3-tech and an elite LT on the board at the pick, take the pass rusher. This team has practically nothing invested in its DL and quite a bit invested in its OL. This team needs at least one elite pass rusher, probably more like two.

A few years ago, I would probably say the same thing, but good oline play is a diminishing quantity in the league. Notice all the new rules to protect QBs, bc the lines can't do it. Good LT's are now harder to find than good pass rushers.

Also this team is rushing by committee now and we have quite a few picks, and FA, invested in the dline now. Turay, Bashem, Lewis, Stewart, Hunt, Woods, Sheard. All things being equal, I lean towards the LT. LT is the only position I would take over a pass rusher. Things are never equal though, and it would come down to the players available.

rcubed 09-27-2018 09:15 PM

pretty soon they will just outlaw sacks so edge rushers will be irrelevant.

Dam8610 09-27-2018 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 82532)
A few years ago, I would probably say the same thing, but good oline play is a diminishing quantity in the league. Notice all the new rules to protect QBs, bc the lines can't do it. Good LT's are now harder to find than good pass rushers.

Also this team is rushing by committee now and we have quite a few picks, and FA, invested in the dline now. Turay, Bashem, Lewis, Stewart, Hunt, Woods, Sheard. All things being equal, I lean towards the LT. LT is the only position I would take over a pass rusher. Things are never equal though, and it would come down to the players available.

In a vacuum, maybe (I prefer a stronger defense, so I'd probably still take the pass rusher). For this team, considering how much it has already invested in OL, and how little it has in DL, there's no question that the pass rusher is the better option IMO.

Chromeburn 09-28-2018 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 82541)
In a vacuum, maybe (I prefer a stronger defense, so I'd probably still take the pass rusher). For this team, considering how much it has already invested in OL, and how little it has in DL, there's no question that the pass rusher is the better option IMO.

We are basically talking two of the top three most important positions on the team imo. So it probably comes down to the player and impact. Pass rusher will likely have more impact, but if you have a franchise QB you have to invest in that blindside protector. Anyway, so far from what I am seeing the OTs are not ranking in top ten, so I would like go dline. But see where things are in six months.

To me top ten LT are like unicorns now, you grab them if you can. But I might live with AC and grab that defender if I can.


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