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Pez 09-17-2018 12:07 PM

Luck's 2nd pick
 
I didnt realize how bad this was. This is the kind of stuff I do in Madden when I have had too many beers. It's 3rd and 10, he calls the play, knows where he is going with the ball and basically advertises it. you can see the deep safety on the right reading TY Hilton, and the LB on the right reading Andrew luck. You can even see the safety on the left knows where this ball is going. Meanwhile, Wilkins got released into the flat with 15 yards of open field in front of him. Rogers is cutting left in front of the LB, and Jack Doyle is cutting right and comes open underneath:

https://preview.ibb.co/gNHaWe/2ndpick.jpg




Here's he's committed to his throwing motion and you can already see the LB and safety start to commit. He NEVER took his eyes off that spot of the field. He has four better options,Wilkins in the flat left, Doyle running a short cross, rogers cutting left on a deep out, and 10 yards of open space in front of Luck where he can just run up the middle:

https://preview.ibb.co/jBFUre/2ndpick_2.jpg


This is one of the biggest of the 20 or 30 reasons we are not 2-0 right now.

DrSpaceman 09-17-2018 12:13 PM

Yes it was bad. It had no chance.

As was the first INT in the red zone last week. Bad decision from the beginning.

rcubed 09-17-2018 01:06 PM

its been said before, luck is similar to favre. can make great plays but also gets himself into trouble with his skills. as annoying as it is, I am not sure he will grow out of this, its just how he is.

GoBigBlue88 09-17-2018 01:15 PM

I think he kinda HAD grown outta this in 2016, but then got hurt and everything just reset for him.

HoosierinFL 09-17-2018 02:05 PM

There is Good Luck. But sometimes we get Bad Luck.

Chromeburn 09-17-2018 02:05 PM

Part of this is rust, part of it is Luck. However instead of chuckles coaching him, he now has Reich and I think things like this will be addressed over time. I noticed in the second half he seemed to be getting the ball out quicker and wasn't waiting till the pocket collapsed on him like he does most of the time.

southside asshole 09-17-2018 02:13 PM

Nice analysis. Thanks for posting this.

FatDT 09-17-2018 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 80330)
Part of this is rust, part of it is Luck. However instead of chuckles coaching him, he now has Reich and I think things like this will be addressed over time. I noticed in the second half he seemed to be getting the ball out quicker and wasn't waiting till the pocket collapsed on him like he does most of the time.

Agree, I think we'll see this squeezed out of his game over the course of the season.

Dewey 5 09-17-2018 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pez (Post 80302)
I didnt realize how bad this was. This is the kind of stuff I do in Madden when I have had too many beers. It's 3rd and 10, he calls the play, knows where he is going with the ball and basically advertises it. you can see the deep safety on the right reading TY Hilton, and the LB on the right reading Andrew luck. You can even see the safety on the left knows where this ball is going. Meanwhile, Wilkins got released into the flat with 15 yards of open field in front of him. Rogers is cutting left in front of the LB, and Jack Doyle is cutting right and comes open underneath:

https://preview.ibb.co/gNHaWe/2ndpick.jpg




Here's he's committed to his throwing motion and you can already see the LB and safety start to commit. He NEVER took his eyes off that spot of the field. He has four better options,Wilkins in the flat left, Doyle running a short cross, rogers cutting left on a deep out, and 10 yards of open space in front of Luck where he can just run up the middle:

https://preview.ibb.co/jBFUre/2ndpick_2.jpg


This is one of the biggest of the 20 or 30 reasons we are not 2-0 right now.

Real life & NFL speed is far different than Madden. Watching on tv or looking back at video you will always see what should have or shouldn't have happen. When things are moving that fast it's not as easy as your making it out to be. Go give it a try.

Pez 09-17-2018 03:35 PM

Whatever dude. I knew someone was going to call out the Madden comment. I'm a 46 year old computer programmer. I've not trained since birth to read wide receivers.

The issue here isn't that it happened too fast. Look at the tape (https://www.colts.com/video/colts-vs...hlights-week-2) the pick is at 5:30... the OL gives him a pocket and a a hole to run through, that is their job. Rogers got open, that is his job, Doyle got open, that is his job. Wilkins got open, that is his job.

Luck's job is to read the field. Maybe I missed some sort of subtle head movement or eye movement that I could not see inside his helmet, but I never saw him look at anyone other than TY.

I'm really high on Lucks ability, and for the most part I'm an optimist if not a homer, but on this play he could have literally looked anywhere else and made a completion. That's his job.

JAFF 09-17-2018 04:36 PM

Couple of things:

* He's rebooting with an entire new system, based on timing. You can see it when he gets about a count of three after the snap. He has used his checkdowns better in the two games, than what ever the **** the old system used.

* He still has some bad habits. If he's still doing the stare down at the end of this season, then I'll be concerned.

* It might be play design. When Holmgren was in SF, they were doing a play assessment at the end of the year, and most of Montana's INT's were on the same play. A play he really liked. What ever the reason, he couldn't execute it. They threw it out, and his INTS drop in half. Twice now, they had two bad INTS in the red zone. They may need another approach.

Pez 09-17-2018 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 80364)
Couple of things:

* He's rebooting with an entire new system, based on timing. You can see it when he gets about a count of three after the snap. He has used his checkdowns better in the two games, than what ever the **** the old system used.

* He still has some bad habits. If he's still doing the stare down at the end of this season, then I'll be concerned.

* It might be play design. When Holmgren was in SF, they were doing a play assessment at the end of the year, and most of Montana's INT's were on the same play. A play he really liked. What ever the reason, he couldn't execute it. They threw it out, and his INTS drop in half. Twice now, they had two bad INTS in the red zone. They may need another approach.

Agree on #1, and would say that last year the other three guys would likely be down the field. While I am critical of Luck here, the fact that he DID have three other options speaks a lot about our change of direction as a team.

Your other two points I think tie in with the first. Luck is learning again, Reich is learning again.

omahacolt 09-17-2018 05:16 PM

luck has always used a safety blanket wr so to speak. 1st it was reggie and then ty and then doyle and ty. i just don't see him ever really not going to his guy at times.

luck is going to throw dumb picks. i am ok with it as long as it isn't out of hand like multiple a game. i want him to think he can make any throw.


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