Luck was never contacted
 

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Jim Rome
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Andrew Luck says the Colts never called and even if they did, he had zero interest.

The dude was a stud when he played. He got tiny after he retired. I think he had some nerve damage that prevented him from working out.

Meh...

Was watching a You-Tube video last night and they were talking like Burrow wanted out of Cincy. Adam S said Colts would be a logical landing place for him and the Colts could possibly make it happen. He said Indy would instantly be one of the most dominant teams in the AFC. I don't know about that as we still have some holes, but he could sure mask some of them. I know its just hyperbole and hypotheticals, but a fella can dream. I would take Burrow in a New-York minute!

I'd give away all our draft picks for the next 2 years for him

Ditka style

Yeah he, if he would stay healthy, immediately makes us the SB favorite in the AFC.

If we hadn't used (wasted) the two first round picks for Sauce, it could have happened!

Two mid first round picks wouldn't come close to even getting in the conversation. If he were on the market some team in the top 5 in need of a QB would pounce.

Wasn't saying that was all we would have to give up, just saying not having any first round picks makes any thought of getting him a joke! The Colts won't be making any blockbuster trades or acquisitions any time soon!

I see us as only giving up one pick. Sauce is young enough that he could of been our first pick.

I'm sure that is how they looked at it, time will tell, but at this point it looks like a lousy deal for us! Google Gemini (AI) says it was one of the worst trades in NFL history!

Right now AI is correct. I hope the kid returns to what garnered two first rounders. The Colts are snake bitten though for whatever reason.

It also doesn't help that AD Mitchell is doing very well with the Jets, he had 102 yards and a TD last week. I agree though, it's still too early to say for certain we got skinned!

That was a couple of weeks ago vs. ATL. Last week he had a decent game though - 6 for 58 yards and a TD in a blowout loss at the Jagoffs. The week before he only had 1 catch for 24 yards vs. MIA. He had 6 targets that game so guessing he had some drops and/or biz decisions.

You draft a freak athlete with big holes in his game, he shows you those holes and you give up on him. Some guys we seem to hold on forever (I'm looking at you Banogu) for no apparent reason, others not so much. If AD continues to improve it is not a good look for the Colt managements ability to evaluate what they have.

Joe Burrow has a contrac signed through 2029.

In 2026, he has a dead cap of $56.250m but a cap hit of $48m making it an additional $12m cap hit for the Bengals to trade him.

In addition to losing the talents of a top flight NFL QB on a poorly run team, the team wanting him would have to make a huge effort to convince the Bengals to trade him away.

Without our next two 1st round draft picks, I cannot see the Colts having the horsepower (heh!) needed to make this kind of trade unless we package some of our superstar players like JT and Pierce.

So, if we here coming to the end of his contract and wanted out and we just had to sign him? Sure, I think we could figure that out.

As a trade? There is no way in heck that the Colts could be conpetitive in that kind of situation.

Hopeless dreaming.

It wasn't even the worst trade the Colts made in the past 5 years.

I don't really care how AD performs. Pundits say that since it worked out for the team, somehow it was a bad trade for the other team. There is no way to know how the player would have performed on his previous team if he was not traded. Sometimes a player only improves by having a new situation, either because the situation is better for him, or because he only learned to improve by the first team giving up on him. In the case of Mitchell, he was a luxury as a WR4, and we needed a CB a lot worse, so it was a good trade, at the time. Hindsight is always 50/50, but GMs do not have crustal balls to know how it will work out, but they swing for the fences anyway. Ballard haters will always play the hindsight game. But they only play it when it turns out bad, and not when he gets a player like DeForest Buckner.

I actually agree with this and under normal circumstances would think it is good criticism. I think however that the amount of leeway you give a player when you know when you draft him he has huge holes in his game but still gamble a second round draft pick on the man is greater than this. I agree you never know but if you are going to spend a second round draft pick on a dude you damn well should know before you give up on him. It isn't something you fire people over but when you decide to keep Banogu for years but give up on AD (assuming he turns it around) I do believe it says something about your player evaluation.

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More significantly, we're not going to know how good or bad that trade was for at least a couple of years.

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If I had to take a wild guess, I would say that the blunders that Adonai Mitchell committed while playing for the Colts (particularly dropping the ball at the 1/2-yardline, and nullifying a Jonathan Taylor touchdown with a holding penalty that was nowhere near the play in the same game against the Rams) weighed on him. And because of that, even though he went from a team that was at the time one of the favorites to win the AFC Championship to one of the worst teams in the NFL, it was a relief for him ...... he has gotten a lot more playing time with his new team, and he is no longer carrying the weight of blowing a crucial game for a team that was (at that time) fighting for the #1 overall seed in the AFC.

Subsequently, I completely agree with you ...... there is no way to accurately presume just how Mitchell would have performed had he stayed with the Colts ...... in fact, there is a good chance that he still would have been sitting on the sidelines for the majority of the games that the Colts have played since he was traded.

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What?!? No!!!! Must grade now!!! Must decide all future value now!!!! COLTS SUCK!!!! BALLARD SUCKS!


Yeah, I hope I covered it all.... :)

I think they have shown growth in not keeping mistakes like they did early on. If you make a mistake, get something for the mistake if you can.

Now there is some high praise for Chris Ballard!:D

[QUOTE=Racehorse;338723]I think they have shown growth in not keeping mistakes like they did early on. If you make a mistake, get something for the mistake if you can.[/QUOTE

Thanks. This makes sense to me. You see progress, which means to me you thought it was needed. If I am Ballard and AD hits big I admit to myself I fucked up and then I try to figure out why I screwed up. This is all conjecture anyway since AD hasn't hit big and I personally think Sauce is worth it if he stays a top 5 cb.

[QUOTE=Oldcolt;338735]I think first time coaches and GMs all have areas they need to grow into. This is why I think firing Shane is a bad idea. He is green as a HC, and will get better.

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Actually, I do care how Mitchell does with the Jets ...... I'm rooting very much for the young man to play well for them, and to resurrect a career that was marred by a very embarrassing game against the Rams.

Even if Mitchell goes on to be a 3-time All-Pro with the Jets, that portion of the trade was incidental ...... the Colts needed a cornerback, they didn't need a 2nd-string wide receiver who was getting almost no playing time. I don't think that there is a Colts fan on the planet that believes that Micthell was going to be a big part of the Colts' future plans just before he was traded, and so his leaving the team for the Jets was essentially incidental ...... I believe that the draft picks that the Colts gave up for Sauce Gardner is a much more appropriate gauge of the trade than Mitchell being packaged with them is. Lamenting Micthell playing well for the Jets and subsequently groaning that he was part of the Sauce Gardner trade is just adding gasoline to the proverbial "Ballard sucks" fire.

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To be clear C&O I am not lamenting anything because nothing has happened. I believe, however, if AD turns into a perennial all pro it is something that is fair game to look at and say you missed your evaluation on him. That is a big if and nothing has even come close to that but I don't want my GM throwing in a great receiver as a throw in (again this has not happened, I am not calling for anything-just saying it does matter what happens to AD) I totally agree with you that if what we are talking about is how he has played so far it is totally unfair to get on anyone for the trade and is just adding gasoline as you said. . Way way too soon.

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Considering Mitchell's troubled and very sub-par tenure here, and also the fact that the Colts already have 3 excellent wide receivers on their roster, I don't think that the Colts would be missing their evaluation of Mitchell if he plays well with the Jets ...... as Racehorse pointed out, there is no possible way that one can presume that a traded player would have necessarily performed the same with his old team as he is performing with his new team. The change in environment was ideal for Mitchell, going from being a player who was widely scorned by the press and Colts fans for screwing up badly in crunch time when he played here to a team that is very under-the-radar because of how bad they are, and who can easily give him the playing time that he wasn't getting with the Colts, a team that had Michael Pittman Jr, Josh Downs, and Alec Pierce all playing ahead of him.

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Nowhere near as bad as trading for Anthony Richardson

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Trent Richardson ???

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I'm guessing you're talking about the Wentz trade?

We didn't make a trade for AR.

That was 12 years ago, so obviously outside of the window that nate is referring to.

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A first-name typo would still be the only reasonable explanation of his comment though, as I doubt that he thought that the Colts traded for Anthony Richardson.

He was probably throwing a general comment out regarding a very bad Colts trade, disregarding the time-frame from the comment that he quoted.

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You very well could be right. With that being said though, as much as we gave up for Sauce it could indeed end up being a worse trade than the one for Trent Richardson if Sauce is unable to stay healthy or doesn't play better than he did for us prior to his calf injury.

Lol yes it was so bad i wanted to forget who he was!

ARs name was fresh in my mind, im old dammit.

Also i wasnt trying to stick within the 5 year window, just thinking about historically bad colts trades.

1988 We trade 2 first round draft picks for Fredd Young. Who you ask? Exactly

For those of you who are salivating over Burrow, it is being reported at Bleacher Report that in 2020 Miami offered 4 first round picks for Burrow which included the number 5 pick. The Bengals wouln't even listen. We were never going to get this guy even with those two picks Sauce cost us.

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I'm a boxing fan, and an Oriole fan ...... sometimes I would refer to starting pitcher Jeremy Guthrie as "William" Guthrie, because William Guthrie was the former WBA Light-Heavyweight champion of the world.

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I was logging on to bring this trade up, which IMO is the worst (at least Indy) Colts trade in history.

In a vacuum the Jeff George trade was probably worse, but since Tobin was somehow able to flip him for 2 1st rounders and a 3rd the Young trade IMO is worse. Tobin pretty much thew away the '94 1st and 3rd rounders on Trev Alberts, but obviously made the most out of the '96 1st by drafting Marvin.

I also think the Craig Erickson trade was worse than the Trent Richardson trade. Arguably the Wentz trade was as well even though Ballard was able to recoup some of the draft capital he gave up to get Wentz.

Yeah, the only way the Bungles will let go of Burrow is if he does like Carson Palmer by demanding a trade and then sitting out until the Bungles give in. Doesn't seem like he's there yet, but if '26 ends up being like these last couple have been then he might get there.

As an aside that 1988 trade was made by none other than Jim Irsay in his stint aa owner/gm. Man those were depressing times.