Would you fire Steichen right now?
 

Just curious, a simple yes or no is all I'm after.

Yes

He has the best RB and OL in the league and keeps putting games on DJs arm. Clock management, game planning, play calls...

No, obviously.

No. Hell no.

The guy went 17-17 over the past two years with a Minshew, Richardson, Flacco poo poo platter at quarterback.

We saw what he can do with a competent quarterback early this season.

No. Not for a minute. End of the year may be a different story.

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You don’t fire a coach because he can’t win with a 4th string Quarterback or a 44 year old future Hall Of Famer who hasn’t played a down in 5 years.

No. That's absurd. The plan was working, why would you deviate from it?

Oh hell no!!! :eek:

NO

No

None of that was true when we played the Chiefs, we still threw it 31 times and ran it 19.

None of that was true when we played the Rams, yet 33 passes to 17 runs...

Texans, 27 passes to 21 runs.

We 100% should have lost to the Broncos except for the lucky leaping call. It would have been Steichen's fault for poor clock management.

To be honest, I'm surprised to be so soundly in the minority here.

No, it was working. Give him a full deck and see what happens. If we suck, or collapse then its over.

While I have a ton of issues with SS (his tendacy to revert to the pass, his terrible understanding of trick play vs just run the dang ball in short yardage situations and some terrible clock management skills), firing him right now would be a terrible idea from CIG and Ballard.

Accountability has to start at the top but you do not fire you coach when you are, technically, still playoff eligable.

Yes, we have lost 4 our of our last 5 after starting 7-1 but that still puts us in reach of hitting the playoffs if we can win some of our last games.

Now, are we going to win them? It looks unlikely but, hey, a former 6th round QB picked from the Midwest also got his chance after seeing the starter go down for the count in mid-season and took his team to greatness. In college:

TB = 29 games / 61.9% / 4,773 yards / 30 TD / 17 INT
RL = 37 games / 63.8% / 7,311 yards / 45 TD / 18 INT
(plus RL had 2,130 rush yards with 36 rush TDs)

Now, am I saying that RL = TB ? Of course not but no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought TB would turn out being what he became based on his college resume. NO ONE.

Just like no one predicts that RL will become a franchise QB either.

I predict that Rivers will stay on the Practice Squad and is here as a much more hands on-the-field mentor/coach for Leonard in order to not jepordize his time line for the HoF.

I think Leonard is our QB for the rest of the season and the Colts want to see what they got.

No

No

Pez, every coach makes good and bad decisions. Steichen is not different. He is a good coach, and will get better with experience. I remember Belichik in Cleveland, Reid in Philly, and there are a few others who teams gave up on that went to another place and took off. I am not saying SS is in the same league as they are (yes, I know the NFL is the same league, but you know what I mean). I am just saying that coaches are given up on too early, just like QBs. Tomlin is a classic example of a guy who benefitted from his situation. The Steelers are one of the best run teams of all time. They mask a lot of his deficiencies. Firing guys is usually not the solution unless they lose the lockerroom, like Reich did, and SS still has the faith of the guys on the roster.

I'd fire everyone from the GM down, but we can't because we have no first round picks for the next two drafts and who in their right mind would want to take the job(s).
So, No. There's no point.

No

Everyone thinks the next coach will be the next Belichick and that’s never the case. Well, aside from the time it WAS Belichick.

It’s far more likely the next guy is Jim Caldwell instead of the second coming of Tony Dungy.

We know Steichen can win with competent quarterback play. It’s just a matter of finding that quarterback.

I am totally shocked. I thought your go-to was fire everyone and ravage their wives and daughters.

I wouldn't, but his in game management leaves a ton to be desired, and I'm not sure he can be a successful football coach without better adjustments.

His system is great though, especially when he has the right personnel.

Chicken and Egg...was it BB or Brady?

No

How about Ballard?

It was a combination of the two but mostly Brady.

No, but get an OC who calls the play.

That's what he is actually quite good at. He is innovative, but his in game clock management and general awareness on the defensive side of the ball along with his interviews in my opinion leave a lot to be desired. In his interviews, it feels as if he is scared to say the wrong thing and upset Ballard. The updates on Richardson, 'he is progressing', he should be 100% on top of this and know everything there is about his rehab prior to the first interview, the day after Jones' injury (maybe he is), and then be able to give a proper update to the media about his progress. He ought to be able to give some sort of a timeline, as in is he likely available in a week, or maybe if we made the playoffs or not at all and it is season ending. Don't understand how that should be so hard to let others know or why it would need to be kept a secret.

What the team does with Jones will tell us everything about what they think of Steichen.

Personally, I don’t think he’s in any danger regardless of what happens the rest of this season.

If the team signs Jones to a long term deal, that would most likely mean Steichen, and by extension Ballard, are gonna be around for a while. Because otherwise they wouldn’t make the commitment.

They’d let the new coach/GM make that call.

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In my rat's ass of an opinion, it was mostly great teams, some Bill Belichick, and some Tom Brady.

When Tom Brady missed the entire 2008 season, the Patriots went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at quarterback ...... the very next year in 2009, the Patriots went 10-6 with Brady back at quarterback, and they were blown out by the Ravens in the Wildcard round of the playoffs on their homefield in Foxborough.

The Matt Cassel 2008 Patriots team didn't make the playoffs with a record of 11-5, only one of 2 teams ever not to make the playoffs with an 11-5 record. The other team to go 11-5 and not qualify for the post-season was the 1985 Denver Broncos.



Bill Belichick led the Patriots to 9 Super Bowls in his tenure as coach ...... but I would argue that his best year as a head coach was when he led the Patriots to an 11-5 record with Matt Cassel at quarterback.



The 2008 Patriots Will Forever Be Bill Belichick’s True Masterpiece

(Draft America Administration)

https://draftamerica.com/the-2008-pa...e-masterpiece/

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Yes, generally speaking, I do align with firing, and without a long leash. However, SS has proven he can coach at a level that it creates a good team. More importantly to me however, is the fact that he does not seem to suffer fools. If you do stupid shit, or if you don't perform, you get sent, and I am all for that approach! Frank would let you shoot his dog in front of him then throw 8 picks in 7 possessions, and still have you starting- fuck that! So at least dudes know under SS they must perform.

I have admittedly lowered my bar on SS over the last several games where he has just completely thrown in the towel in the run game, so that pisses me off. He also needs to be a MUCH better clock / situational football coach.

Someone asked the same question about Ballard.... yeah you already know for sure on that one...

Found this on the Cheats' fan page:https://www.patriotsplanet.net/BB/th...9/post-3026114

Probably pretty accurate.

It surprises me how many fans don't realize how absolutely screwed the Colts are right now. When Luck quit, I said it would take 10 years to get back. This is year 7. I wouldn't be surprised if we have to add 5 more years to my original 10 year estimate. Downward spiral. Good luck, Carlie.

You scrutinize me, but you read and post a link to patriotsplanet. Okay, Pats fan.

Quarterback purgatory. Cosmic realignment after 20 years of Manning/Luck.

Pro wrestling gimmicks to keep attention/get clicks when you're gonna lose out anyway. And people buy it.
BAD times

Finding a franchise QB isn’t that easy nor did having Luck continue to play when he clearly didn’t want to means anything would be any different. Wasn’t he unsure about his future do to battling a calf strain? How’d that workout for Daniel Jones playing thru one?

I'm just saying we're fucked. I'm not arguing with you or looking an argument. There's plenty of time to come for that.

I disagree that we’re fucked, I don’t mind a spirited debate, this isn’t arguing to me man. I respect all points of view regardless

no



he isn't perfect but I think he is pretty good