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Kray007 08-16-2023 04:54 PM

Give Taylor something
 
Bump his salary up to $8 Million and change and guarantee the money.

Get him off the sidelines, out of that hoodie, and back to practice. I don’t like the idea of rewarding guys for this kind of behavior, but nothing good ever comes from getting into a pizzing match with your all pro RB, and it never hurts to make the first step towards reconciliation.

The bottom line is that having him on the field increases the chances for success, and it helps in Richardson’s development. The last thing we need is for a rookie QB to walk into a toxic locker room.

If I thought we could find a greater fool willing to give up a 1st round draft pick for him, I’d say trade. But, I don’t see anyone willing to do that.

Brylok 08-16-2023 05:01 PM

A swift kick in the ass?

Kray007 08-16-2023 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 271261)
A swift kick in the ass?

Sure, you can play hardball. Taylor has no leverage. But do you really want to see a sulking Taylor stalking the locker room for the next 5 months? Playing hardball is a little like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Oldcolt 08-16-2023 05:58 PM

He needs to prove he is healthy and is the 2021 Taylor version first. That means to me he needs to get back on the field.

Mr. Session 08-16-2023 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kray007 (Post 271264)
Playing hardball is a little like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Enabling this behavior from others by rewarding it here, seems like that to me.

We can find another runningback.

Brylok 08-16-2023 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kray007 (Post 271264)
But do you really want to see a sulking Taylor stalking the locker room for the next 5 months?

If he's going to do that, just waive him. I just looked it up: he has fewer than 4 accrued seasons in his career. He can be waived, and then go through the waiver wire and see what he's worth to the other clubs. If he still doesn't like the money offered, then he's done in the NFL.

ChaosTheory 08-16-2023 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kray007 (Post 271260)
Bump his salary up to $8 Million and change and guarantee the money.

Get him off the sidelines, out of that hoodie, and back to practice. I don’t like the idea of rewarding guys for this kind of behavior, but nothing good ever comes from getting into a pizzing match with your all pro RB, and it never hurts to make the first step towards reconciliation.

The bottom line is that having him on the field increases the chances for success, and it helps in Richardson’s development. The last thing we need is for a rookie QB to walk into a toxic locker room.

If I thought we could find a greater fool willing to give up a 1st round draft pick for him, I’d say trade. But, I don’t see anyone willing to do that.

First off, we'd have to assume that he's actually healthy and faking it. So assuming he's healthy... working out an extension in the $8m/yr range is very reasonable. However, as far as we know, the word is that Taylor wanted top-RB money which is double that...

Which is not reasonable, on top of assuming he's even healthy. They didn't budge with Moore, they shouldn't budge with Taylor.

ChaosTheory 08-16-2023 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 271271)
If he's going to do that, just waive him. I just looked it up: he has fewer than 4 accrued seasons in his career. He can be waived, and then go through the waiver wire and see what he's worth to the other clubs. If he still doesn't like the money offered, then he's done in the NFL.

Problem with that is the Colts get nothing in return. Trade or preferably franchise tag.

JAFF 08-16-2023 06:35 PM

Taylor excused for personal matter
 
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...ersonal-matter

Ok, what ever

Brylok 08-16-2023 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 271273)
Problem with that is the Colts get nothing in return. Trade or preferably franchise tag.

Can't tag him until next year. He'd be paid more than now, but not as much as he wants. We'd still have the same problem. I doubt we'd get much of anything in a trade right now since nobody knows if he's injured or not. I'd rather get nothing in return and be rid of him then have a malcontent harming the dressing room all season. Like Mr. Session said above, we can find another running back. Just my 2¢ anyway.

Butter 08-16-2023 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kray007 (Post 271264)
Sure, you can play hardball. Taylor has no leverage. But do you really want to see a sulking Taylor stalking the locker room for the next 5 months? Playing hardball is a little like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I don't give a shit, he has 4 million sitting on the table for this season, it is the deal the players made and a damn lot better than what 99% of us have in our jobs.

ChaosTheory 08-16-2023 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 271275)
Can't tag him until next year. He'd be paid more than now, but not as much as he wants. We'd still have the same problem. I doubt we'd get much of anything in a trade right now since nobody knows if he's injured or not. I'd rather get nothing in return and be rid of him then have a malcontent harming the dressing room all season. Like Mr. Session said above, we can find another running back. Just my 2¢ anyway.

You're right about all that. I don't think a trade happens because of what Ballard would want. But it would be something. Franchise tag hanging over JT's head is a huge advantage for the Colts.

They risk way less, relatively speaking, than JT. Seems to be a better to me to either keep him or get the better haul if someone wants to sign him.

Brylok 08-16-2023 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 271279)
You're right about all that. I don't think a trade happens because of what Ballard would want. But it would be something. Franchise tag hanging over JT's head is a huge advantage for the Colts.

They risk way less, relatively speaking, than JT. Seems to be a better to me to either keep him or get the better haul if someone wants to sign him.

It's a mess, and it's all of Taylor's creation. It's been rough being a Colts fan the past few years. First we have to be amateur physicians, and now we need to brush up on our knowledge of the CBA. Always something.

I have no idea how it will shake out. Personally, I'd waive him if it got to that point. Again, just my opinion.

Chromeburn 08-16-2023 07:47 PM

I’d like to see him healthy first and actually play some. Not giving a contract to a gimpy RB.

ChoppedWood 08-16-2023 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271274)

Man F this dude, NFI and move the fuck on. Doesn't want to honor his contract, then we don't need to honor his "career". Shitcan him.

Hoopsdoc 08-17-2023 07:22 AM

Taylor has less than zero leverage. If he sits out or pouts to the point where the Colts send him home, he’ll never get the money he wants from anyone. Hell, he won’t get what he’s slated to make this season.

He has to get healthy and get out there and play. Then let whatever happens happen.

JAFF 08-17-2023 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 271301)
Taylor has less than zero leverage. If he sits out or pouts to the point where the Colts send him home, he’ll never get the money he wants from anyone. Hell, he won’t get what he’s slated to make this season.

He has to get healthy and get out there and play. Then let whatever happens happen.

If he is released someone will sign him. There’s always GM who thinks they can fix players.

The reality for the Colts is he cant get on the field due to an injury, until he gets the medical clearance, a new contract is out of the question. The Colts had to release Manning due to injury, its a cruel business.

ChoppedWood 08-17-2023 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271303)
If he is released someone will sign him. There’s always GM who thinks they can fix players.

The reality for the Colts is he cant get on the field due to an injury, until he gets the medical clearance, a new contract is out of the question. The Colts had to release Manning due to injury, its a cruel business.

Manning had to go due to the combination of the injury AND the cap implications if he was retained. No such conundrum with JT. Fucking NFI his ass today- stop playing his game.

JAFF 08-17-2023 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 271306)
Manning had to go due to the combination of the injury AND the cap implications if he was retained. No such conundrum with JT. Fucking NFI his ass today- stop playing his game.

He is still under contract, and he could be a huge help to AR. I dont believe the Colts are playing his game. He has no leverage as long as he cant practice. If they can repair the relationship, its in both parties interest to do it. It cant happen until he shows he is healthy and can play.

Hoopsdoc 08-17-2023 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 271303)
If he is released someone will sign him. There’s always GM who thinks they can fix players.

The reality for the Colts is he cant get on the field due to an injury, until he gets the medical clearance, a new contract is out of the question. The Colts had to release Manning due to injury, its a cruel business.

He won’t get anywhere near the money or long term deal he wants if he’s released. Especially not being healthy.

And that was the point of all of this.

I’m thinking if he’s released right now he’d get somewhere in the neighborhood of what Dalvin Cook got. Maybe a little more.

Ironshaft 08-17-2023 09:36 AM

It is a catch 22.

The Colts would be foolish in the extreme in choosing to pay JT more money prior to seeing if he is still the back that he was pre-injury.

My guess is that JT will not want to play at all until he is guarenteed more money.

Which side breaks first?

Brylok 08-17-2023 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 271311)
It is a catch 22.

The Colts would be foolish in the extreme in choosing to pay JT more money prior to seeing if he is still the back that he was pre-injury.

My guess is that JT will not want to play at all until he is guarenteed more money.

Which side breaks first?

I'd just waive him if it gets to that point. Having him would help Richardson, sure. But odds are we're going to stink while Richardson learns. Other RBs are out there. Don't need a cancer around.

Butter 08-17-2023 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 271324)
I'd just waive him if it gets to that point. Having him would help Richardson, sure. But odds are we're going to stink while Richardson learns. Other RBs are out there. Don't need a cancer around.

Zero upsides in waiving him, let him hold out, he doesn't get paid and doesn't accrue a year towards unrestricted free agency.

Chromeburn 08-17-2023 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 271311)
It is a catch 22.

The Colts would be foolish in the extreme in choosing to pay JT more money prior to seeing if he is still the back that he was pre-injury.

My guess is that JT will not want to play at all until he is guarenteed more money.

Which side breaks first?

I wouldn't offer him anything till
A: He gets healthy and shows he is healthy.
B: Is willing to show he will play and play hard.

I don't know who is going to trade for him AND then pay him top dollar when he is hurt and completely toxic.

albany ed 08-18-2023 06:31 AM

There should be a compromise solution between trade me and sign me long term. Something to make him okay with playing this year. I'd offer him a bonus for this year and a promise to give him a decent second contract or trade him if he proves he's still a solid RB. I hated losing Faulk and I'd hate losing Taylor.

ChaosTheory 08-18-2023 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 271404)
There should be a compromise solution between trade me and sign me long term. Something to make him okay with playing this year. I'd offer him a bonus for this year and a promise to give him a decent second contract or trade him if he proves he's still a solid RB. I hated losing Faulk and I'd hate losing Taylor.

We'd all hate to lose Taylor, but he can't do this shit.

There's already a compromise between trade me and sign me long term... play out your fucking contract for $4.3m.

You don't give a kid extra cherries on his sundae for cleaning his room because he's threatening to throw a shit fit in public.

Brylok 08-18-2023 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 271393)
Zero upsides in waiving him, let him hold out, he doesn't get paid and doesn't accrue a year towards unrestricted free agency.

You then risk having an angry malcontent hanging around the locker room poisoning the minds of the other players and causing a huge distraction. I'd waive him before I'd allow that to happen. Just my opinion though.

rm1369 08-18-2023 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 271432)
You then risk having an angry malcontent hanging around the locker room poisoning the minds of the other players and causing a huge distraction. I'd waive him before I'd allow that to happen. Just my opinion though.

Only thing worse than him poisoning the locker room would be to give in and teach players if you aren’t happy with your contract make a big deal about it and we’ll let you out of it. Team needs to be both fair and firm. They aren’t screwing JT, so let him whine. If they franchise him next year and never offer a reasonable contract then I may have sympathy for JT. Until then, he needs to shut the fuck up and show why he’s supposedly worth all the money he wants. And if he wants to be a cancer, send his ass home to sit. But you don’t reward him by waiving him.

Brylok 08-18-2023 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 271446)
But you don’t reward him by waiving him.

I agree with you, but I'm of the idea that if he's on the waiver wire, he'll find out from 31 other teams that he's actually worth around $8-10M tops. Nowhere near the $16M he wants now. Maybe he'd come back down to Earth.

Worst thing the Colts could do is cave in and pay him.


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