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omahacolt 09-02-2017 02:05 PM

Pats rape colts again
 
A bad backup qb for dorsett

Hoopsdoc 09-02-2017 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 23705)
A bad backup qb for dorsett

I tend to agree, but if the colts were going to cut him anyway, why not do this?

Puck 09-02-2017 02:11 PM

Dorsett will be a pro bowler in NE taking Edelman place

As in being used correctly

ChoppedWood 09-02-2017 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 23707)
Dorsett will be a pro bowler in NE taking Edelman place

As in being used correctly

Yeah it will come as no surprise if he goes there and shines. That team which is usually not so swift is stacked with blazing speed between he and Cooks. If he goes on to star as a return guy there as speculated- and we struggle as we ALWAYS do in that area, well it wouldn't be a shocker that's for sure.

Seriously, Brisset? What does this guy give us that Morris does not?

Really starting to wonder what the strategic objectives are for this whole team top to bottom.

Racehorse 09-02-2017 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 23708)
Yeah it will come as no surprise if he goes there and shines. That team which is usually not so swift is stacked with blazing speed between he and Cooks. If he goes on to star as a return guy there as speculated- and we struggle as we ALWAYS do in that area, well it wouldn't be a shocker that's for sure.

Seriously, Brisset? What does this guy give us that Morris does not?

Really starting to wonder what the strategic objectives are for this whole team top to bottom.

With good coaching... We know he didn't get that here and will eat it there.

Coltsalr 09-02-2017 02:20 PM

My initial thought was that the Patriots find a way to use that great speed in a way that our coaching staff certainly cannot. That'll suck, but if he's not going to do anything with us, I suppose it is what it is. Still, I'd prefer not to deliver Dorsett directly to the Pats.

That said, while I don't think Brissett is a full time starter, I do think he has a certain "it" factor that's intriguing and he can do some things where he can win some spot starts. By no means a franchise QB, but like I said, he's got some spunk and if we have any intelligence on our coaching staff (we don't) he's an interesting gameplan mismatch for a game or two.

ChoppedWood 09-02-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 23710)
My initial thought was that the Patriots find a way to use that great speed in a way that our coaching staff certainly cannot. That'll suck, but if he's not going to do anything with us, I suppose it is what it is. Still, I'd prefer not to deliver Dorsett directly to the Pats.

That said, while I don't think Brissett is a full time starter, I do think he has a certain "it" factor that's intriguing and he can do some things where he can win some spot starts. By no means a franchise QB, but like I said, he's got some spunk and if we have any intelligence on our coaching staff (we don't) he's an interesting gameplan mismatch for a game or two.

Sadly I don't think this crew would even be able to recognize his distinguishing traits. I still don't get it, we're going to have 3 active QBs for a team that isn't going to even be relevant without the only one that matters? Of course it could be the plan to have to have 3 because the only one that matters isn't coming back and the brass knows this OL is such a tragedy that we'll need three just to get to mid-season... that much I could see- wait, that gives them credit for thinking ahead, that's not happening!

Brylok 09-02-2017 02:41 PM

Dorsett to NE for a 3rd QB. WTF?? Is Luck not coming back at all?

njcoltfan 09-02-2017 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 23708)
Yeah it will come as no surprise if he goes there and shines. That team which is usually not so swift is stacked with blazing speed between he and Cooks. If he goes on to star as a return guy there as speculated- and we struggle as we ALWAYS do in that area, well it wouldn't be a shocker that's for sure.

Seriously, Brisset? What does this guy give us that Morris does not?

Really starting to wonder what the strategic objectives are for this whole team top to bottom.

I'm beginning to wonder how long Luck is going to be out!! This move makes me think he's going to start the season on PUP, or IR.

omahacolt 09-02-2017 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 23710)
My initial thought was that the Patriots find a way to use that great speed in a way that our coaching staff certainly cannot. That'll suck, but if he's not going to do anything with us, I suppose it is what it is. Still, I'd prefer not to deliver Dorsett directly to the Pats.

That said, while I don't think Brissett is a full time starter, I do think he has a certain "it" factor that's intriguing and he can do some things where he can win some spot starts. By no means a franchise QB, but like I said, he's got some spunk and if we have any intelligence on our coaching staff (we don't) he's an interesting gameplan mismatch for a game or two.

Stfu

"It" factor? Wtf

smitty46953 09-02-2017 02:53 PM

Patriots have an empty training table and a good supply of icy hot, Dorsett will be fine :cool:

rcubed 09-02-2017 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 23732)
I'm beginning to wonder how long Luck is going to be out!! This move makes me think he's going to start the season on PUP, or IR.

Agree. He will still be on PUP when season starts.

ChoppedWood 09-02-2017 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 23732)
I'm beginning to wonder how long Luck is going to be out!! This move makes me think he's going to start the season on PUP, or IR.

If he's PUP, then there's more to this issue that Irsay imitated with the mental angle of things- either that or the surgery has gone very poorly and we have damaged goods on our hands.

While I think we have a bonanza of receiving talent on this team getting rid of a field stretcher for a guy who has to deliver the rock, is certainly worrisome.

Those that have been around for a while will remember a hell of a QB that wore the shoe that lost his career to a bad shoulder= Bert Jones. The similarities between what Colts teams looked like with and without him and how a seemingly minor injury mushroomed into something far more severe- hate this feeling that it's all history due to repeat.

njcoltfan 09-02-2017 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 23741)
Agree. He will still be on PUP when season starts.

They have 45 minutes to activate him!!

nate505 09-02-2017 03:26 PM

This is such a horrid move. I really don't understand it at all. I like Ballard, but this is incredibly bad.

GoBigBlue88 09-02-2017 03:29 PM

Honest to god, this used to be an elite, first-rate NFL franchise. Now, they're mad at people asking about the star QB's health and boasting about the preseason performance of the backup QB they just traded for.

smitty46953 09-02-2017 03:29 PM

Probably were going cut him anyway :cool:

omahacolt 09-02-2017 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 23766)
Probably were going cut him anyway :cool:

And that would have been dumb as well

smitty46953 09-02-2017 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 23765)
Honest to god, this used to be an elite, first-rate NFL franchise. Now, they're mad at people asking about the star QB's health and boasting about the preseason performance of the backup QB they just traded for.

Where you hear they are mad? Like to see that :cool:

Dam8610 09-02-2017 04:05 PM

Why are we acting like Phillip Dorsett is some big loss? Brisset is better than Tolzien, and likely better than anything else they got offered for Dorsett. Trading a WR5 for a QB2 (who may need to start the first few games of the season) seems like a win to me.

smitty46953 09-02-2017 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 23789)
Why are we acting like Phillip Dorsett is some big loss? Brisset is better than Tolzien, and likely better than anything else they got offered for Dorsett. Trading a WR5 for a QB2 (who may need to start the first few games of the season) seems like a win to me.

It's the truck load of "Icy Hot" we gave up that sucks ... :rolleyes:

omahacolt 09-02-2017 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 23789)
Why are we acting like Phillip Dorsett is some big loss? Brisset is better than Tolzien, and likely better than anything else they got offered for Dorsett. Trading a WR5 for a QB2 (who may need to start the first few games of the season) seems like a win to me.

You are always dumb. Your take is always just stupid

Indiana V2 09-02-2017 04:29 PM

Why do teams even trade with the Patriots, especially dumbass trades that help the Patriots. We trade a WR with potential to make big plays for a backup QB who won't even play for us when Luck is back. Is Grigson still here?

FatDT 09-02-2017 04:37 PM

We just made the Patriots better and got nothing in return.

HoosierinFL 09-02-2017 04:58 PM

The problem I have with this is that the Patriots get a guy who is going to contribute for them, and we get a guy who, best case scenario, never steps on the field.

Dam8610 09-02-2017 05:27 PM

What's with the assumption that Dorsett is going to contribute for them? He couldn't beat out Chester Rogers or Kamar Aiken, why do you think he's suddenly going to go there and become a star? Remember when they signed Austin Collie? Reggie Wayne? I imagine this will work out about the same.

ChoppedWood 09-02-2017 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 23844)
What's with the assumption that Dorsett is going to contribute for them? He couldn't beat out Chester Rogers or Kamar Aiken, why do you think he's suddenly going to go there and become a star? Remember when they signed Austin Collie? Reggie Wayne? I imagine this will work out about the same.

Austin Collie couldn't remember his name started with A by the time he went there. Neither could Reggie because he was 83 years old.

Dorsett is a young guy who can fly like few and they are going to try to utilize that speed- already talking about using him in the return game (the genius of such a move:eek:), whereas I think Chuck probably had visions of him at DT that just didn't work out no matter how much wood Dorsett chopped.

Mr. Session 09-02-2017 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 23846)
Austin Collie couldn't remember his name started with A by the time he went there. Neither could Reggie because he was 83 years old.

Dorsett is a young guy who can fly like few and they are going to try to utilize that speed- already talking about using him in the return game (the genius of such a move:eek:), whereas I think Chuck probably had visions of him at DT that just didn't work out no matter how much wood Dorsett chopped.

Dorsett couldn't return kicks for shit, much less field them, but I have more confidence in New England's coaches effectively using his skill set than our own.

I don't get why Ballard is so eager to work with New England and frankly it makes me uncomfortable.

Dam8610 09-02-2017 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood (Post 23846)
Austin Collie couldn't remember his name started with A by the time he went there. Neither could Reggie because he was 83 years old.

Dorsett is a young guy who can fly like few and they are going to try to utilize that speed- already talking about using him in the return game (the genius of such a move:eek:), whereas I think Chuck probably had visions of him at DT that just didn't work out no matter how much wood Dorsett chopped.

So nothing tangible, just "TEH POTENTIALZZZZ!" He couldn't beat out UDFAs for a roster spot, he's a bad Grigson decision that the Cheats took in exchange for something useful to the Colts, as opposed to Dorsett who likely would've been cut today had he not been traded.

ChoppedWood 09-02-2017 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 23859)
So nothing tangible, just "TEH POTENTIALZZZZ!" He couldn't beat out UDFAs for a roster spot, he's a bad Grigson decision that the Cheats took in exchange for something useful to the Colts, as opposed to Dorsett who likely would've been cut today had he not been traded.

4th QB's are generally exceptionally useful (in a week and day- he will be the 3rd string emergency QB)- and if you really think this guy that has had exactly zero reps with the team is going to start "the first few games" out of need when we've had four games for our other two QB's to acclimate... well

omahacolt 09-02-2017 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 23844)
What's with the assumption that Dorsett is going to contribute for them? He couldn't beat out Chester Rogers or Kamar Aiken, why do you think he's suddenly going to go there and become a star? Remember when they signed Austin Collie? Reggie Wayne? I imagine this will work out about the same.

He didn't have a chance to beat out Aiken or rogers. He is better than Aiken and probably rogers as well. Rogers beat him out from the training room? Take that nonsense elsewhere

smitty46953 09-02-2017 06:16 PM

Omaha, I think Dorsett used more ice, and Icy Hot than Rogers ? Purely financial ... :D

Dam8610 09-02-2017 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 23847)
I don't get why Ballard is so eager to work with New England and frankly it makes me uncomfortable.

This is the only concerning thing about this trade to me. Ballard does seem to be overeager to work with them, and while I want the GM to make every available move to maximize talent on the roster, he should also take into account the history between these two franchises.

omahacolt 09-02-2017 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 23863)
Omaha, I think Dorsett used more ice, and Icy Hot than Rogers ? Purely financial ... :D

you are really running hard with that joke aren't you

apballin 09-02-2017 06:34 PM

Two players that should be cut who cares, that's not rape- rape is what they did to get Randy Moss

DragonTails 09-02-2017 06:59 PM

Wouldn't be surprised if Dorsett's stats are better than Hilton's over the first 4 weeks.

This team has no clue what it's doing.

"Of course, if Brissett does earn the job over Tolzien, that will make the Colts look silly for not bringing in a quarterback earlier in the preseason. If Brissett beats out Tolzien for the job, he'll only have eight days to learn the Colts offense in preparation for the team's opener. "

The Colts already look silly. What a completely POS organization.

Who was on the board when we took Dorsett?

Dam8610 09-02-2017 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DragonTails (Post 23877)
Wouldn't be surprised if Dorsett's stats are better than Hilton's over the first 4 weeks.

This team has no clue what it's doing.

"Of course, if Brissett does earn the job over Tolzien, that will make the Colts look silly for not bringing in a quarterback earlier in the preseason. If Brissett beats out Tolzien for the job, he'll only have eight days to learn the Colts offense in preparation for the team's opener. "

The Colts already look silly. What a completely POS organization.

Who was on the board when we took Dorsett?

Among others, Landon Collins.

Dam8610 09-02-2017 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 23861)
He didn't have a chance to beat out Aiken or rogers. He is better than Aiken and probably rogers as well. Rogers beat him out from the training room? Take that nonsense elsewhere

Take the nonsense that Dorsett is suddenly going to become a pro bowler elsewhere.

Racehorse 09-02-2017 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 23880)
Take the nonsense that Dorsett is suddenly going to become a pro bowler elsewhere.

He has the potential and now he has the coaching.

omahacolt 09-02-2017 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 23880)
Take the nonsense that Dorsett is suddenly going to become a pro bowler elsewhere.

i didn't say that now did i


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