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JAFF 03-17-2023 08:03 AM

Doyel: Stay calm, but signing Minshew MEANS ANTHONY RICHARDSON IS NEXT
 
https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...n/70018480007/

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Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm, BUT THIS IS NOT A DRILL. This is really happening. Gardner Minshew? Sure, he’s happening, but if he were all that was happening, well, there’d be no need to stay calm. You’d already be calm. The Indianapolis Colts signing of journeyman quarterback Gardner Minshew on Thursday is a big deal not because of Gardner Minshew, but because of Anthony Richardson.

It’s like this: Gardner Minshew in 2023 equals Anthony Richardson in 2024. It’s math, people.

Now, this is an algebraic form of math, which means unknown variables. In algebra we call an unknown variable an “X.” As an example: 3X = 15, because X = 5.

I know, nobody told you there’d be math here. But this Gardner Minshew news has me using numbers you can see, and smacking my head with a hand you can’t see, and damn near has me speaking in tongues. Because Anthony Richardson!!!!

I mean gwababa wowow OMG and also: YOWZERS!

Mar 4, 2023; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson (QB11) participates in drills at Lucas Oil Stadium.
Seriously, Florida’s Anthony Richardson is that exciting. That dangerous, too, but let’s not focus on the negative today, please? Today let’s pretend we know all the variables in this equation, starting with this:

Carolina, with the No. 1 overall pick, will take Alabama quarterback Bryce Young or Ohio State QB C.J. Stroud. And then Houston, with the No. 2 pick, will take whichever of those two is left. Arizona, which has Kyler Murray at quarterback, won’t take a quarterback with the third pick – or the Cardinals will trade that pick to the Colts, who currently hold the No. 4 pick – which means, in either case, the Colts will get Richardson.


Now, that “X” being a variable, the Panthers could use the No. 1 pick on Richardson. They did sign veteran QB Andy Dalton this week, after all, theoretically to be their starting quarterback in 2023 while the rookie they draft can sit and learn. Do either Young or Stroud need to sit and learn? Probably not, but a year off wouldn’t hurt either. However, Carolina has a known QB whisperer at coach – his name is Frank Reich, something like that – and perhaps the Panthers are thinking of drafting the raw Richardson first, and having him learn under Reich, and behind Dalton.

Wouldn’t that be the Frank Reich-iest move ever? For him to get fired here in midseason, get scapegoated, get replaced by Jeff Saturday for heaven’s sake, and then go to Carolina and take our guy, Anthony Richardson?


Yeah, I’m calling Richardson our guy, because it seems like the Colts could have no choice but to take him.

This whole topic – or my presentation of this topic – may be confusing to you. Here’s why: Young and Stroud are more of a sure thing than Richardson. They’re safer bets, and who knows how high their ceiling could be? Young could be another Drew Brees. Stroud could be really good, too. He’s big and accurate and poised and charming. He’s going to be just fine.



Doyel:If I'm the Colts I want Anthony Richardson ... but pick Bryce Young

But Richardson…

He’s all or nothing, that guy, which is why – in a vacuum – you wouldn’t advise the Colts to take him. Not if they had a shot at Young or Stroud. Frankly, Richardson is too big of a risk, if there are safer options available. Young and Stroud are much, much safer.

But if they’re gone? Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Because at that point the Colts would have permission, even an imperative, to draft Richardson. Sure we could be salty about it three years from now, if Richardson is a bust. And we probably would be, knowing us. But three years from now we’d need to remember that the Colts were rolling the dice on greatness back in 2023, that safer choices were gone, that they swung for the fences with Richardson.

Now, this story being full of “X” variables – don’t get me started on “XY” equations – the Colts could have the damn fool idea to draft Will Levis of Kentucky over Richardson. I mean, this is the same organization that decided Philip Rivers wasn’t about to retire in 2020, that Carson Wentz wasn’t about to immolate in 2021, that Matt Ryan wasn’t about to stumble over the cliff in 2022. The Colts are capable of anything, including taking Levis over Richardson.


Why am I so down on Levis? Two names: Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen. Levis played at Kentucky like Darnold played at Southern California, physically gifted but full of mistakes and turnovers. And those mistakes, those turnovers, will go away at the next level? Don’t think so. They didn’t for Darnold. They won’t for Levis.

As for Rosen, you might recall how cocky that guy was after the 2018 NFL Draft, when he made like a tough guy and vowed to embarrass every team that chose not to take him.

Josh Rosen might be the single worst quarterback in recent NFL history. He’s on his third or fourth team … in the XFL. Maybe. Honestly I don’t care, and while Google probably could tell me where Rosen is, I’m embarrassed to type his name into the search engine. Google’s spyware might think I’m an idiot.

Enough about Rosen, other than to say: Will Levis, at the 2023 NFL Scouting Combine, was as cocky as Rosen had been after that 2018 Draft.


Again: Will Levis plays like Sam Darnold and talks like Josh Rosen.

No thanks.

Anthony Richardson made some mistakes last year at Florida, too. He’s not perfect. But that was his first full season as a starter. He’s such a project. Hell, truth is, Will Levis could be safer than Richardson. Levis has a longer, Sam Darnold-like track record, which means he could be a serviceable pro. Maybe Levis could even be better than Darnold. His arm is, after all, a cannon. He told us so. This guy…

But Richardson’s physical gifts are off the charts. Literally, after decades of NFL scouting combines, there was a chart for QB workouts. And Richardson went off it. Best workout ever for that position. He’s big and powerful like an outside linebacker, explosive like a safety, fast like a No. 1 receiver … and can throw the ball 60 yards with a flick of the wrist.

Would Richardson pan out for the Colts? No idea, but listen to this: Their new coach, Shane Steichen, sounds to me like a future QB whisperer. I believe in Steichen. Granted, he hasn’t sat in the big chair long enough for any of us to know. But the way quarterbacks of varying skills sets have played under his tutelage, the way Steichen talks and carries himself, the things people say about him … I think Steichen could be the real deal.


Pair a real-deal coach with the most exciting QB prospect since … well, since forever … and see what happens.

If in three years Richardson is backing up Josh Rosen in an arena league somewhere, I sure will be sorry. But if he’s winning MVP honors in Carolina, I’ll be sick.


Lov2fish 03-17-2023 08:13 AM

Doyle is a slobber drooling moron and is most likely wrong. Not sure how that fucktard keeps a job.

Dewey 5 03-17-2023 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 261892)
Doyle is a slobber drooling moron and is most likely wrong. Not sure how that fucktard keeps a job.

Exactly my thoughts on Ballard. I don’t know who Doyle is so I will just go ahead & agree with you

Oldcolt 03-17-2023 10:52 AM

I wasted time ready this shit. What an asinine article. How does this guy keep his job?

Hoopsdoc 03-17-2023 10:53 AM

I’m getting more and more on board for Richardson, I’m just not sure he’ll still be there.

The guy has generational physical talent. Lets see if Steichen can teach him to play quarterback.

rcubed 03-17-2023 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 261894)
Exactly my thoughts on Ballard. I don’t know who Doyle is so I will just go ahead & agree with you


He is correct, doyle is trash. But I dont read into this signing. Either Minshew is backup to whoever we get, who can also help mentor since he know steichens offense. Or if for some reason we dont get a QB at 3-4 then we roll with him and shoot a wad for caleb next year.


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IndyNorm 03-17-2023 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 261892)
Doyle is a slobber drooling moron and is most likely wrong. Not sure how that fucktard keeps a job.

No doubt. It's super annoying when he takes little snippets of quotes, pieces them together, and states this is what's going to happen like he did when he guaranteed we'd be hiring the KC ST Coordinator as our HC in '18 and like he did with his article on Bryce Young. It's also super annoying when he gets a bug up his ass about certain players and doesn't let it go while giving other guys a complete pass.

Oldcolt 03-17-2023 11:03 AM

I think taking a chance in AR is the way to go. There was improvement in his game as the year wore on. His TD/INT ratio over his last 6 games was 12-2. He also did a full interview, taking complete blame for the loss, after his debacle against Kentucky, his worst game. He didn’t have to speak to the press but did anyway. I like that. Dude will sit for a year probably but the upside is incredible (as is his downside )

ChaosTheory 03-17-2023 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 261892)
Doyle is a slobber drooling moron and is most likely wrong. Not sure how that fucktard keeps a job.

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 261905)
I wasted time ready this shit. What an asinine article. How does this guy keep his job?

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 261908)
No doubt. It's super annoying when he takes little snippets of quotes, pieces them together, and states this is what's going to happen like he did when he guaranteed we'd be hiring the KC ST Coordinator as our HC in '18 and like he did with his article on Bryce Young. It's also super annoying when he gets a bug up his ass about certain players and doesn't let it go while giving other guys a complete pass.

He keeps his job because of the above responses.


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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 261894)
Exactly my thoughts on Ballard. I don’t know who Doyle is so I will just go ahead & agree with you

The answer is he is Skip Bayless in print. Your typical "hot takes" guy that gets a rise out of people.

Brylok 03-17-2023 11:43 AM

Richardson can't throw a 5 yard out route.

Dewey 5 03-17-2023 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 261917)
Richardson can't throw a 5 yard out route.

Yes he can. Relax

Lov2fish 03-17-2023 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 261920)
Yes he can. Relax

Well, to be honest, he isn't very good at it. There is absolutely no denying his unbelievable abilities. If you watch his lowlights they are atrocious. They are full of wide open misses. Throwing picks in a perfectly clean pocket. Gets happy feet much quicker than needed. Has a horrible tenancy to stare down receivers. His highlight film is the same 10 plays on a loop. They are spectacular, but he will be a one trick pony I am afraid. If they draft him I will of course wish for the greatest success possible, I'm a homer.

None of these QB's wow me and I have my personal preference of which one I want, but I will be just as happy if we don't draft any of them and trade back and gain capital. This team is not a QB away from competing for a title, or even a division title. We have lots of holes that need addressed. We know Ballard is not the biggest fan of free agency, so, drafting is where we are building from. I am a realist and know what I see in front of me. If we suck and get a shot at Caleb next year than I will be a little more excited and completely on board with trading up to get him.

Hoopsdoc 03-17-2023 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 261930)
Well, to be honest, he isn't very good at it. There is absolutely no denying his unbelievable abilities. If you watch his lowlights they are atrocious. They are full of wide open misses. Throwing picks in a perfectly clean pocket. Gets happy feet much quicker than needed. Has a horrible tenancy to stare down receivers. His highlight film is the same 10 plays on a loop. They are spectacular, but he will be a one trick pony I am afraid. If they draft him I will of course wish for the greatest success possible, I'm a homer.

None of these QB's wow me and I have my personal preference of which one I want, but I will be just as happy if we don't draft any of them and trade back and gain capital. This team is not a QB away from competing for a title, or even a division title. We have lots of holes that need addressed. We know Ballard is not the biggest fan of free agency, so, drafting is where we are building from. I am a realist and know what I see in front of me. If we suck and get a shot at Caleb next year than I will be a little more excited and completely on board with trading up to get him.

No, they need to draft at least 2 quarterbacks every year until they find one. Everything starts with the quarterback.

They can fill holes once they find a quarterback. Until then, they’re spinning their wheels.

Lov2fish 03-17-2023 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 261934)
No, they need to draft at least 2 quarterbacks every year until they find one. Everything starts with the quarterback.

They can fill holes once they find a quarterback. Until then, they’re spinning their wheels.

Can't argue with that philosophy much.

Colts And Orioles 03-17-2023 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 261907)



He is correct, Doyle is trash. l But I don't read into this signing. Either Minshew is backup to whoever we get, who can also help mentor since he know Steichen's offense. l Or if for some reason we don't get a QB at 3-4, then we roll with him and shoot a wad for Caleb next year.


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I agree, I don't read much into Minshew's signing with regard to which quarterback the Colts draft ...... the Colts are going to take whomever is available with the 4th overall pick, and Minshew will be able to tutor/mentor any of the rookie QB's, not just Richardson.

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CletusPyle 03-17-2023 03:24 PM

Does Minshew still have his porn mustache? For that reason alone I am down with this hire!

Ironshaft 03-17-2023 03:29 PM

As of a public appears in Dec 2022, it would appear that he has a full beard with stash and really long hair.

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JAFF 03-17-2023 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 261934)
No, they need to draft at least 2 quarterbacks every year until they find one. Everything starts with the quarterback.

They can fill holes once they find a quarterback. Until then, they’re spinning their wheels.

Thats not sustainable. You cant just draft 2 Qbs a year, ignoring other positions.

Hire more scouts and beat the bushes. Kurt Warner came out of arena ball. I would not be shocked if the Colts might trade up one spot in the first round

rcubed 03-17-2023 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 261940)
Does Minshew still have his porn mustache? For that reason alone I am down with this hire!


Go to the r/colts sub. They have some great great posts since the signing


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Hoopsdoc 03-17-2023 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 261959)
Thats not sustainable. You cant just draft 2 Qbs a year, ignoring other positions.

Hire more scouts and beat the bushes. Kurt Warner came out of arena ball. I would not be shocked if the Colts might trade up one spot in the first round

Perhaps, but they’ll never compete without a good quarterback. The year with Rivers is about the best they can hope for.

Finding a franchise quarterback trumps everything else. They cannot seriously compete without one.

Dam8610 03-17-2023 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 261917)
Richardson can't throw a 5 yard out route.

This is why I'd rather have Lamar.

apballin 03-18-2023 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261965)
This is why I'd rather have Lamar.

I mean honestly isn’t this the same situation as

Lamar = Buckner

Richardson = Kinlaw

Even if we draft Richardson we “hope” he turns into Lamar in 2 years

IndyNorm 03-18-2023 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 261914)
He keeps his job because of the above responses.




The answer is he is Skip Bayless in print. Your typical "hot takes" guy that gets a rise out of people.

Touche. Although I read him a lot less than I used to. Guess there's not enough people who have done that to make a difference.

Dam8610 03-18-2023 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 261994)
I mean honestly isn’t this the same situation as

Lamar = Buckner

Richardson = Kinlaw

Even if we draft Richardson we “hope” he turns into Lamar in 2 years

You hope Richardson is more than Lamar in 2 years if you draft him.

apballin 03-18-2023 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261996)
You hope Richardson is more than Lamar in 2 years if you draft him.

Gonna be hard to top 4,500 total yards and 43 TDs in his 2nd season

16,000 total yards 125 TDs in 5 seasons

Dam8610 03-18-2023 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 261997)
Gonna be hard to top 4,500 total yards and 43 TDs in his 2nd season

16,000 total yards 125 TDs in 5 seasons

Ideally the year or 2 of sitting and learning would fix his issues and he would be able to excel more. Lamar was thrown into the fire halfway through his rookie year. Richardson needs at least a year before he's thrown out there, and 2 would be preferable.

apballin 03-18-2023 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 261998)
Ideally the year or 2 of sitting and learning would fix his issues and he would be able to excel more. Lamar was thrown into the fire halfway through his rookie year. Richardson needs at least a year before he's thrown out there, and 2 would be preferable.

If he’s expected to exceed Lamar in year 2 after sitting a year and can be better than Lamar we’re talking historic numbers so it shouldn’t even be a debate on which QB to select

Lov2fish 03-18-2023 01:08 PM

After reading many replies in this forum I will say one thing? I am extremely thankful none of ya are the GM of my team. It would be a fucking train wreck of historical failure. We would get demoted to a developmental league.

Oldcolt 03-18-2023 01:10 PM

None of us?

apballin 03-18-2023 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 262002)
After reading many replies in this forum I will say one thing? I am extremely thankful none of ya are the GM of my team. It would be a fucking train wreck of historical failure. We would get demoted to a developmental league.

Bullshit, I would’ve had us in the playoffs for sure

Give me the fuckin job my priority would be winning not job security like Ballard

JAFF 03-18-2023 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 262008)
Bullshit, I would’ve had us in the playoffs for sure

Give me the fuckin job my priority would be winning not job security like Ballard

:rolleyes:

njcoltfan 03-19-2023 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 262002)
After reading many replies in this forum I will say one thing? I am extremely thankful none of ya are the GM of my team. It would be a fucking train wreck of historical failure. We would get demoted to a developmental league.

We're halfway there now..

JAFF 03-19-2023 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 262003)
None of us?

You are in the top 2

CletusPyle 03-20-2023 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 262008)
Bullshit, I would’ve had us in the playoffs for sure

Give me the fuckin job my priority would be winning not job security like Ballard

There is much more to the job than just drafting, trading, and picking up guys, but I agree in a way, I think several people on this forum could have done that part of the job as well if not better than Ballard. How many of us would have brought in Wentz or Ryan? But since I don't think Ballard is a complete moron, I'm betting with Steichen's help, Ballard and the Colts get it right this time. I think we are going to be much better next season and will be heading in the right direction for years to come!

Chromeburn 03-21-2023 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 262121)
There is much more to the job than just drafting, trading, and picking up guys, but I agree in a way, I think several people on this forum could have done that part of the job as well if not better than Ballard. How many of us would have brought in Wentz or Ryan? But since I don't think Ballard is a complete moron, I'm betting with Steichen's help, Ballard and the Colts get it right this time. I think we are going to be much better next season and will be heading in the right direction for years to come!

So you need a QB. Your coach wants Wentz, who was great the last time he coached him. You do what…

CletusPyle 03-21-2023 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 262198)
So you need a QB. Your coach wants Wentz, who was great the last time he coached him. You do what…

Wentz was not that great, there was plenty of indications before we got him that he was not the same player he was before he was injured. But after Wentz, how many of us would have doubled down on Ryan? But if Ballard is the genius we keep being told he is, I feel like a 3rd debacle is unlikely....you know, even a blind squirrel, can occasionally find a nut!

rcubed 03-21-2023 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 262243)
Wentz was not that great, there was plenty of indications before we got him that he was not the same player he was before he was injured. But after Wentz, how many of us would have doubled down on Ryan? But if Ballard is the genius we keep being told he is, I feel like a 3rd debacle is unlikely....you know, even a blind squirrel, can occasionally find a nut!

at least he took a shot with ryan. what other option did he have? roll with some career back up or ehlinger or ???

that would have brought just as much criticism or "they are just tanking" talk.

Its not like great QBs are just laying around.

Chromeburn 03-22-2023 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 262243)
Wentz was not that great, there was plenty of indications before we got him that he was not the same player he was before he was injured. But after Wentz, how many of us would have doubled down on Ryan? But if Ballard is the genius we keep being told he is, I feel like a 3rd debacle is unlikely....you know, even a blind squirrel, can occasionally find a nut!

Oh I agree, there were plenty of warning signs and I thought it was silly to think otherwise.

But what would you have done in that situation?

And Ryan might have worked out if we protected him and actually provided what we had last year around Wentz. Ryan wasn’t brought in to be the guy. The only reason we have some wind is because of him and the defense.

CletusPyle 03-22-2023 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 262245)
at least he took a shot with ryan. what other option did he have? roll with some career back up or ehlinger or ???

that would have brought just as much criticism or "they are just tanking" talk.

Its not like great QBs are just laying around.

There were definitely several options besides Ryan, in fact, Ryan came out of thin air, he was a scenario I don't recall anyone even talking about. I also know, that after seeing Ryan in the first game, I saw he was washed up, I commented on it, I'm sure I could find the comment if I had to. So did they not even bring Ryan in to throw? Because if they did how could they not see he had no arm strength? They totally hid him from us during pre-season!

But regardless, hindsight is 20/20, I would rather look forward to this season, and like I said, I can't see Ballard, with Steichen's help, blowing it a third time. I think we are going to be fine, I am looking forward to a much improved team headed in the right direction!

rcubed 03-22-2023 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 262304)
There were definitely several options besides Ryan, in fact, Ryan came out of thin air, he was a scenario I don't recall anyone even talking about. I also know, that after seeing Ryan in the first game, I saw he was washed up, I commented on it, I'm sure I could find the comment if I had to. So did they not even bring Ryan in to throw? Because if they did how could they not see he had no arm strength? They totally hid him from us during pre-season!

But regardless, hindsight is 20/20, I would rather look forward to this season, and like I said, I can't see Ballard, with Steichen's help, blowing it a third time. I think we are going to be fine, I am looking forward to a much improved team headed in the right direction!

right but you mentioned doubling down on ryan after wentz, then you say there were other options. so which other option do you think ballard should have brought in that would have been a long(ish) term solution?


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