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AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-28-2022 11:45 PM

2022 NFL Draft thread - Day 2 discussion - Rounds 2 and 3
 
Round 2 starts at 7 Eastern / 6 Central.

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Hoopsdoc 04-29-2022 07:42 AM

Will they take a quarterback? I think there’s at least a chance.

Puck 04-29-2022 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 229746)
Will they take a quarterback? I think there’s at least a chance.

I hope not

Ironshaft 04-29-2022 08:42 AM

Where I am sitting right now, my priority order:

OT Bernhard Raimann, Central Michigan
WR Christian Watts, North Dakota State
WR George Pickens, Georgia
TE Jelani Woods, Virginia
WR Alec Pierce, Cincinnati

Protecting Matt Ryan still needs to be priority #1 with a close priority #1A being opening holes for Jonathan Taylor.

While I am provisionally okay with starting Pryor at LT, the need for a swing tackle and/or someone to push Pryor to being his best is huge.

The Colts obviously did not believe Pryor was the lock-down, no question successor at LT or they would have given him a longer contract. He might develop into that but he is not that now.

Ryan is the type of guy who can manufacture plays with lesser talent at WR and TE.

Grabbing OT in the 2nd if the Colts believe Raimann can be that 10 year starter and then going WR and TE in the 3rd and 4th rounds can work well with Matty Ice.

ukcolt 04-29-2022 09:41 AM

Ryan had Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley.....they were both elite receivers he was throwing to. I really like Ryan, but he had talent at receiver helping him out.

YDFL Commish 04-29-2022 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 229751)
Where I am sitting right now, my priority order:

OT Bernhard Raimann, Central Michigan
WR Christian Watts, North Dakota State
WR George Pickens, Georgia
TE Jelani Woods, Virginia
WR Alec Pierce, Cincinnati

Protecting Matt Ryan still needs to be priority #1 with a close priority #1A being opening holes for Jonathan Taylor.

While I am provisionally okay with starting Pryor at LT, the need for a swing tackle and/or someone to push Pryor to being his best is huge.

The Colts obviously did not believe Pryor was the lock-down, no question successor at LT or they would have given him a longer contract. He might develop into that but he is not that now.

Ryan is the type of guy who can manufacture plays with lesser talent at WR and TE.

Grabbing OT in the 2nd if the Colts believe Raimann can be that 10 year starter and then going WR and TE in the 3rd and 4th rounds can work well with Matty Ice.

Pickens is probably off of our board for three reasons.

Knee injury
On field character
Completely failing his interviews

The rest I would be more than happy with, but Woods is probably a better bet for the 4th round.

Dam8610 04-29-2022 09:54 AM

David Ojabo is a Michigan pass rusher with an Achilles tear. In other words, he's Paye and Dayo rolled into one. He has to be the pick!

In all seriousness though, hoping for Raimann, an Edge they like (preferably not Ojabo), or a trade down at 42, though trade downs seem to be getting bad value this year. Drafting a WR high doesn't make a lot of sense, and with how trades have gone this year, 122 should've been enough to go from 42 to 32 to pick up the 5th year option if they liked a QB as a franchise guy, so I doubt they're high on Willis (don't blame them) or Corral.

If they come out of Day 2 with an Edge and an OT, that's a win. If that's accomplished while also trading down and picking up more picks, even better. IMO there's more value on Day 3 at WR and TE than there is at Edge and OT.

apballin 04-29-2022 10:07 AM

Trey McBride if he’s there if not Boye Mafe

IndyNorm 04-29-2022 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 229755)
Pickens is probably off of our board for three reasons.

Knee injury
On field character
Completely failing his interviews

The rest I would be more than happy with, but Woods is probably a better bet for the 4th round.

You beat me to it. Don't see us taking Pickens with all of the red flags.

I'm hoping for Watson but think there's a good chance he's gone by the time we draft :cool:

Oldcolt 04-29-2022 10:35 AM

Best player available. I trust Ballard. I agree our greatest need is offensive line but I am thinking of this team as a defensive powerhouse. I would love Ojabo to be our pick. Instead of trying to out offense all of these great QBs lets just kick their ass with a defense that never lets up. I am not much of a scout on these people so I am not saying that he is the best player, if Ballard drafts him I will believe that however.

IndyNorm 04-29-2022 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 229756)
David Ojabo is a Michigan pass rusher with an Achilles tear. In other words, he's Paye and Dayo rolled into one. He has to be the pick!

In all seriousness though, hoping for Raimann, an Edge they like (preferably not Ojabo), or a trade down at 42, though trade downs seem to be getting bad value this year. Drafting a WR high doesn't make a lot of sense, and with how trades have gone this year, 122 should've been enough to go from 42 to 32 to pick up the 5th year option if they liked a QB as a franchise guy, so I doubt they're high on Willis (don't blame them) or Corral.

If they come out of Day 2 with an Edge and an OT, that's a win. If that's accomplished while also trading down and picking up more picks, even better. IMO there's more value on Day 3 at WR and TE than there is at Edge and OT.

Don't be too surprised if we take Ojabo if he's there. Ballard has shown that injuries don't seem to concern him much when drafting, and he definitely prioritizes long term over short term when drafting (which in the long run is probably a good thing).

I don't know much about Raimann, but I kind of get a Bjorn Werner feeling from him. As good as Ballard is at drafting linemen though if we do pick him then it's probably a good sign.

Dam8610 04-29-2022 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 229765)
Best player available. I trust Ballard. I agree our greatest need is offensive line but I am thinking of this team as a defensive powerhouse. I would love Ojabo to be our pick. Instead of trying to out offense all of these great QBs lets just kick their ass with a defense that never lets up. I am not much of a scout on these people so I am not saying that he is the best player, if Ballard drafts him I will believe that however.

I would question an Ojabo pick because an Achilles rupture puts his speed and explosiveness, two of his best assets, into question. Before the injury, Ojabo may well have been a top 15 pick, but there's a reason the injury is causing a slide.

YDFL Commish 04-29-2022 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 229765)
Best player available. I trust Ballard. I agree our greatest need is offensive line but I am thinking of this team as a defensive powerhouse. I would love Ojabo to be our pick. Instead of trying to out offense all of these great QBs lets just kick their ass with a defense that never lets up. I am not much of a scout on these people so I am not saying that he is the best player, if Ballard drafts him I will believe that however.

Yeah, I may not be on board with the pick right now, but like you said, if Ballard drafts him at 42, then I will not second guess him.

Oldcolt 04-29-2022 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 229768)
I would question an Ojabo pick because an Achilles rupture puts his speed and explosiveness, two of his best assets, into question. Before the injury, Ojabo may well have been a top 15 pick, but there's a reason the injury is causing a slide.

I hear you but I am not sure that the Colts see it that way. They seem to think that with new techniques and rehab the explosiveness will return by year two (if the player makes some goals in his rehab-goals that should already be known). Still a long shot. So many receivers that are highly rated still available.

nate505 04-29-2022 11:59 AM

I'm on the McBride bandwagon. Yeah, I know there's lots of other needs and I probably won't be upset with whoever the Colts draft, but TE is definitely one of them. Ryan will be far more lethal with a good one, and McBride is also a good blocker that will help with the run game.

rcubed 04-29-2022 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 229776)
I hear you but I am not sure that the Colts see it that way. They seem to think that with new techniques and rehab the explosiveness will return by year two (if the player makes some goals in his rehab-goals that should already be known). Still a long shot. So many receivers that are highly rated still available.

but with paye, dayo, ngkaoue, buckner already here.... I would prefer someone that can possibly put us in contention this or next year. I like what has transpired this offseason and with ryan being towards end of his career, these next two years might be worth really taking a shot. but what the hell do I know?

IndyNorm 04-29-2022 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 229779)
but with paye, dayo, ngkaoue, buckner already here.... I would prefer someone that can possibly put us in contention this or next year. I like what has transpired this offseason and with ryan being towards end of his career, these next two years might be worth really taking a shot. but what the hell do I know?

Most of us agree with you, but we all know that Ballard doesn't operate that way. For better or worse he will take who he has rated as the highest long term impact mostly regardless of position and short term impact. If it works out that the player is ready to play at a need position then great, if not then so be it. So if he has Ojabo rated higher than any of the WRs/TEs/OTs left on the board then he'll probably take Ojabo.

rcubed 04-29-2022 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 229784)
Most of us agree with you, but we all know that Ballard doesn't operate that way. For better or worse he will take who he has rated as the highest long term impact mostly regardless of position and short term impact. If it works out that the player is ready to play at a need position then great, if not then so be it. So if he has Ojabo rated higher than any of the WRs/TEs/OTs left on the board then he'll probably take Ojabo.

yeah I know. from what I read about him I wouldnt hate the pick and we could end up with a killer D in next couple years. I appreciate ballards approach to build and keep the future in mind, but there comes a time when you need to just go for it, maybe the 'go for it' is next year...

Chromeburn 04-29-2022 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironshaft (Post 229751)
Where I am sitting right now, my priority order:

OT Bernhard Raimann, Central Michigan
WR Christian Watts, North Dakota State
WR George Pickens, Georgia
TE Jelani Woods, Virginia
WR Alec Pierce, Cincinnati

Protecting Matt Ryan still needs to be priority #1 with a close priority #1A being opening holes for Jonathan Taylor.

While I am provisionally okay with starting Pryor at LT, the need for a swing tackle and/or someone to push Pryor to being his best is huge.

The Colts obviously did not believe Pryor was the lock-down, no question successor at LT or they would have given him a longer contract. He might develop into that but he is not that now.

Ryan is the type of guy who can manufacture plays with lesser talent at WR and TE.

Grabbing OT in the 2nd if the Colts believe Raimann can be that 10 year starter and then going WR and TE in the 3rd and 4th rounds can work well with Matty Ice.

Pickens has some negatives attached to his personality. Supposedly been enabled a lot and his personality reflects it. I doubt they pick him. Not with guys just as good and better personalities.

Chromeburn 04-29-2022 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 229768)
I would question an Ojabo pick because an Achilles rupture puts his speed and explosiveness, two of his best assets, into question. Before the injury, Ojabo may well have been a top 15 pick, but there's a reason the injury is causing a slide.

Achilles and knee repair have come a long way in the last 20 years. A good surgery and diagnosis would likely ease those concerns. Still I doubt they take him, just won’t put it past Ballard if he is there.

omahacolt 04-29-2022 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 229756)
David Ojabo is a Michigan pass rusher with an Achilles tear. In other words, he's Paye and Dayo rolled into one. He has to be the pick!

In all seriousness though, hoping for Raimann, an Edge they like (preferably not Ojabo), or a trade down at 42, though trade downs seem to be getting bad value this year. Drafting a WR high doesn't make a lot of sense, and with how trades have gone this year, 122 should've been enough to go from 42 to 32 to pick up the 5th year option if they liked a QB as a franchise guy, so I doubt they're high on Willis (don't blame them) or Corral.

If they come out of Day 2 with an Edge and an OT, that's a win. If that's accomplished while also trading down and picking up more picks, even better. IMO there's more value on Day 3 at WR and TE than there is at Edge and OT.

defensive end. that is the position on the colts. not edge.


i would be happy with a de and ot. but really want a wr with 42 if a guy is there.

Hoopsdoc 04-29-2022 04:20 PM

I predict roughly half the fans will call him a genius and half will call for him to be fired no matter who he picks.

IndyNorm 04-29-2022 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 229785)
yeah I know. from what I read about him I wouldnt hate the pick and we could end up with a killer D in next couple years. I appreciate ballards approach to build and keep the future in mind, but there comes a time when you need to just go for it, maybe the 'go for it' is next year...

Yeah, I agree. Drafting BPA instead of need is definitely the way to go rebuilding. With the current circumstances of having a 37 year old QB, filling immediate needs is hopefully a higher factor. At least if the 2 prospects are really close in evaluation.

Puck 04-29-2022 05:11 PM

Hopefully you all are watching the Pat McAfee show for the draft. He has the picks done without all the bullshit way ahead of everyone else. Sometimes a whole pick ahead.

Racehorse 04-29-2022 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 229801)
Hopefully you all are watching the Pat McAfee show for the draft. He has the picks done without all the bullshit way ahead of everyone else. Sometimes a whole pick ahead.

Is he doing Day 2? If so, is there a link?

smitty46953 04-29-2022 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 229807)
Is he doing Day 2? If so, is there a link?

https://www.youtube.com/c/ThePatMcAfeeShow

:cool:

Dam8610 04-29-2022 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 229801)
Hopefully you all are watching the Pat McAfee show for the draft. He has the picks done without all the bullshit way ahead of everyone else. Sometimes a whole pick ahead.

I watch the Bootleg Football Podcast coverage for the analysis, and it has to be that because they're usually a pick behind.

Dam8610 04-29-2022 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 229794)
defensive end. that is the position on the colts. not edge.


i would be happy with a de and ot. but really want a wr with 42 if a guy is there.

It's easier to say edge defender when talking about 34 OLBs/43 DEs who primarily rush the passer.

Spike 04-29-2022 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 229801)
Hopefully you all are watching the Pat McAfee show for the draft. He has the picks done without all the bullshit way ahead of everyone else. Sometimes a whole pick ahead.

Yep, been watching Pat. You are correct "without all the bullshit"!

IndyNorm 04-29-2022 07:02 PM

So are we playing the draft game Puck suggested awhile back? Think the rule was to put in your top 3 before the pick 2 ahead of us is in?

Chromeburn 04-29-2022 07:18 PM

Pack trading up for Skyy Moore I bet

Spike 04-29-2022 07:19 PM

Watson to the Pack, another WR goes down.

IndyNorm 04-29-2022 07:20 PM

Yeah, Fuck. There goes Watson :mad::mad::mad:

Spike 04-29-2022 07:24 PM

Tits select McCreary CB.

Racehorse 04-29-2022 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike (Post 229823)
Tits select McCreary CB.

Hope he busts like all the others they draft.

ChaosTheory 04-29-2022 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 229824)
Hope he busts like all the others they draft.

Hope. I liked him, though. Good pick.

ChaosTheory 04-29-2022 07:32 PM

Jets with four picks in the top 36. Best CB, best WR, best RB, top 4 Edge?

smitty46953 04-29-2022 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 229830)
Jets with four picks in the top 36. Best CB, best WR, best RB, top 4 Edge?

Great draft for Jets :eek:

YDFL Commish 04-29-2022 07:42 PM

I don't think that Seahags take a WR. Looks like we can get Skyy.

smitty46953 04-29-2022 07:47 PM

I want Skye or Raimann :cool:


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