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Puck 03-03-2022 03:39 PM

Colts QB in 2022
 
Do you think Wentz's back? Sign a FA trade for a vet or draft.

Vote then add who/why/ and how they are acquired

Lov2fish 03-03-2022 03:49 PM

Sam. There are no free agents out there I would want here. Definitely not a fan of throwing the kid in there, but they obviously saw something in him for him to still be here. Don't waste anymore money on has been quarterbacks discarded by other teams. If they worth leading a franchise they wouldn't be hitting the market. Win win. We find out what the kid has, or he improves draft position for the shoe.

YDFL Commish 03-03-2022 03:58 PM

Draft Carson Strong.

Dump Wentz

Sign Trubisky or Bridgewater

apballin 03-03-2022 04:09 PM

Jimmy G for a 3rd rounder

Cut Wentz because nobody is trading for him

Puck 03-03-2022 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 224909)
Jimmy G for a 3rd rounder

Cut Wentz because nobody is trading for him

He is having shoulder surgery. May not even be ready for offseason training. Highly doubt that he is coming here. And he's not enough if any of an upgrde to waste a 3rd round pick on

apballin 03-03-2022 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 224917)
He is having shoulder surgery. May not even be ready for offseason training. Highly doubt that he is coming here. And he's not enough if any of an upgrde to waste a 3rd round pick on

So what a minor shoulder surgery, he’ll be throwing by June, I’m not concerned about that, so you’re saying I can get him for a 4th or 5th hell that’s even better

He’s definitely an upgrade do I need to go down the list or you just simply looking at TD/INT ???

Oldcolt 03-03-2022 05:25 PM

Don’t want to give up anything for Jimmy G. He will cost either player of draft choice. Have no idea who wins the Wentz argument going on with Colts. If not Wentz would like to take a chance on Trubisky. Not excited about any options we have.

Puck 03-03-2022 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 224918)
So what a minor shoulder surgery, he’ll be throwing by June, I’m not concerned about that, so you’re saying I can get him for a 4th or 5th hell that’s even better

He’s definitely an upgrade do I need to go down the list or you just simply looking at TD/INT ???


Jimmy couldn't win with all that talent around him. Wentz would have looked a hell of a lot better with those weapons.

Jimmy is not that good He is pretty though

CletusPyle 03-03-2022 05:54 PM

I think the Colts are starting to realize that they have to go with Wentz for one more season...I still think there is a slight chance Wentz will be better next season!

apballin 03-03-2022 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 224923)
Jimmy couldn't win with all that talent around him. Wentz would have looked a hell of a lot better with those weapons.

Jimmy is not that good He is pretty though

He played in the NFC championship game lol

And exactly what” weapons “ Deebo Samuel and kittle?

What did Wentz win?

Puck 03-03-2022 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 224928)
He played in the NFC championship game lol

And exactly what” weapons “ Deebo Samuel and kittle?

What did Wentz win?

He won the game against Jimmy. If you dont think the 9ers have more weapons I don't know what to tell ya. Both on offense and defense. and they only won one more game than the colts

Playoffs?

172 yds no TD. 1 int. vs Cowboys
131 yds. no TD. and 1 INT vs the packers
232 yds 2 TD and 1 game losing INT vs Rams

9ers won in spite of Jimmy

Their D is very good

And if he is so good why would they give him up for a 3rd ?

He's not better than Wentz

Racehorse 03-03-2022 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 224908)
Draft Carson Strong.

Dump Wentz

Sign Trubisky or Bridgewater

Or Winston. One of those three to bridge the gap, or see if they can manage a game well enough to let the team carry him.

Racehorse 03-03-2022 06:48 PM

Question is, "Who do I think?" I think we will be stuck with the loser one more year.

Who do I want? Not Wentz.

Puck 03-03-2022 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 224935)
Question is, "Who do I think?" I think we will be stuck with the loser one more year.

Who do I want? Not Wentz.

Think.

Should do another one with who do you want Wanted to try to keep them separated

omahacolt 03-03-2022 07:26 PM

it will probably be wentz for one more year unfortunately. hope it is really anyone but wentz.

our options for qb next year are garbage. i would rather play a guy like mariota or trubisky that has athleticism and maybe won't be a disaster.

apballin 03-03-2022 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 224929)
He won the game against Jimmy. If you dont think the 9ers have more weapons I don't know what to tell ya. Both on offense and defense. and they only won one more game than the colts

Playoffs?

172 yds no TD. 1 int. vs Cowboys
131 yds. no TD. and 1 INT vs the packers
232 yds 2 TD and 1 game losing INT vs Rams

9ers won in spite of Jimmy

Their D is very good

And if he is so good why would they give him up for a 3rd ?

He's not better than Wentz

Kittle and Trent Williams were out that game and it was pouring rain, oh yea and we have the best weapon on either team Jonathan Taylor

They drafted Trey Lance that’s why

I’ll give you the defense is better than ours but he’s a winner he gets the ball out quick and doesn’t turn it over like dumbass Wentz

Playoff experience, battle tested, doesn’t back down and cry when faced with competition. He beat Trey Lance out for the job he didn’t cry like a little bitch when they drafted a QB

Puck 03-03-2022 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 224946)
Kittle and Trent Williams were out that game and it was pouring rain, oh yea and we have the best weapon on either team Jonathan Taylor

They drafted Trey Lance that’s why

I’ll give you the defense is better than ours but he’s a winner he gets the ball out quick and doesn’t turn it over like dumbass Wentz

Playoff experience, battle tested, doesn’t back down and cry when faced with competition. He beat Trey Lance out for the job he didn’t cry like a little bitch when they drafted a QB

You forgot misses games due to injury and turns it over more than Wentz

And I would trade JT straight up for Deebo right now. And I love JT

Racehorse 03-03-2022 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 224938)
it will probably be wentz for one more year unfortunately. hope it is really anyone but wentz.

our options for qb next year are garbage. i would rather play a guy like mariota or trubisky that has athleticism and maybe won't be a disaster.

Preach it!

smitty46953 03-03-2022 08:21 PM

I am not a fan of Wentz, but after using our 1st and 3rd round picks on the guy I think they will give him one more year. Hoping for ton of improvement and a brain transplant.. :cool:

apballin 03-03-2022 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 224951)
You forgot misses games due to injury and turns it over more than Wentz

And I would trade JT straight up for Deebo right now. And I love JT

No fuckin way, it’s Taylor’s team now he masked a lot of Wentz stupid decisions

And Wentz is always hurt and likely to get hurt playing hero ball all the goddam time

Puck 03-03-2022 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 224959)
No fuckin way, it’s Taylor’s team now he masked a lot of Wentz stupid decisions

And Wentz is always hurt and likely to get hurt playing hero ball all the goddam time

You're nuts if you think a RB is more important than a multi talented WR.

JT is important to this team for sure. But we wont win a SB depending on a RB to do it.

Don't believe me? Who were the top RB's in the playoffs this yr?

Wentz didn't miss a game all season. Played on 2 badly sprained ankles

How about Jimmy? missed a few games and Oh yea he's going in for surgery on his PASSING shoulder.

I'm OK to get rid of Wentz. But NO WAY am I on board for JG over Wentz and draft picks

Puck 03-03-2022 09:06 PM

And you know what REALLY pisses me off????? We could have had Deebo but instead took Rock.

HOLY FUCK

apballin 03-03-2022 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 224964)
You're nuts if you think a RB is more important than a multi talented WR.

JT is important to this team for sure. But we wont win a SB depending on a RB to do it.

Don't believe me? Who were the top RB's in the playoffs this yr?

Wentz didn't miss a game all season. Played on 2 badly sprained ankles

How about Jimmy? missed a few games and Oh yea he's going in for surgery on his PASSING shoulder.

I'm OK to get rid of Wentz. But NO WAY am I on board for JG over Wentz and draft picks

Oh like when Wentz pulled himself out in week 1 on the FINAL drive

I’m done with Wentz I don’t care if it’s Jimmy g or not I’ve seen what he has to offer and we gave up a 1st for what he produced….

Similar numbers to Brisset 18td 6int 60% comp. In 15 games starting season for us

I’d prefer a QB with some playoff experience that doesn’t fold or do dumbshit in crunch time

Chromeburn 03-03-2022 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 224965)
And you know what REALLY pisses me off????? We could have had Deebo but instead took Rock.

HOLY FUCK

I was screaming for Deebo. Thought he would be really good.

Brylok 03-03-2022 10:56 PM

I voted Trubisky for three reasons:
1. He's been in Buffalo and they like him.
2. He's a FA, 27 (I think), and still might develop
into something.
3. He isn't Wentz.

That's it. That's all. I never watch the Bears, so I don't know if I've ever even seen him play. I've read opinions about him and, being kind, they're mixed at best. I mentioned him a couple of weeks ago but never really thought it would become an actual choice. Ultimately, I think there will be a shitstorm of complaints regardless of what they do. Lordy, what a mess!

rcubed 03-04-2022 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 224964)
I'm OK to get rid of Wentz. But NO WAY am I on board for JG over Wentz and draft picks

Agree, I am done with wentz but am not interested in trading any pics for a lateral-ish move at QB. Maybe if they got a clear upgrade…

Racehorse 03-04-2022 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 224956)
I am not a fan of Wentz, but after using our 1st and 3rd round picks on the guy I think they will give him one more year. Hoping for ton of improvement and a brain transplant.. :cool:

Sadly, I think you are right

MeSayDayo 03-04-2022 09:14 AM

Personally I am okay with Trubisky and I also wish we could bring him in WITH Wentz. What I am reading is that he will cost 10-15 million a year, and if true, we wont be able to afford it.
If we dump Carson though...give him a try for all the aforementioned reasons. He played really well in certain scenarios in Chicago. He is athletic, strong arm, but I may worry about his ability to process and read the D, like Wentz. Same with Winston. These guys were all very high draft picks because of their intangibles, but ultimately all lack the most important intangible (brains). That is something I have heard Sam Ehlinger has in droves, for what it's worth.

Dam8610 03-05-2022 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 224965)
And you know what REALLY pisses me off????? We could have had Deebo but instead took Rock.

HOLY FUCK

Could've had DK Metcalf instead of Parris Campbell as well.

IndyNorm 03-05-2022 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 224975)
I voted Trubisky for three reasons:
1. He's been in Buffalo and they like him.
2. He's a FA, 27 (I think), and still might develop
into something.
3. He isn't Wentz.

That's it. That's all. I never watch the Bears, so I don't know if I've ever even seen him play. I've read opinions about him and, being kind, they're mixed at best. I mentioned him a couple of weeks ago but never really thought it would become an actual choice. Ultimately, I think there will be a shitstorm of complaints regardless of what they do. Lordy, what a mess!

FWIW this guy agrees with you on Trubisky:

https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/es...-buffalo-bills

Dam8610 03-05-2022 11:25 AM

If they're going the free agency route for QB, I'd rather they take the home run swing with Winston than sign a guy like Bridgewater or especially Trubisky. Winston has the talent to develop into a franchise guy, and looked to be doing so before he got hurt under Sean Payton. And if he gets hurt or is a turnover machine again, he raises your draft stock. It seems like the perfect boom or bust move that gets the Colts to a franchise QB faster either way.

JAFF 03-05-2022 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 225056)
If they're going the free agency route for QB, I'd rather they take the home run swing with Winston than sign a guy like Bridgewater or especially Trubisky. Winston has the talent to develop into a franchise guy, and looked to be doing so before he got hurt under Sean Payton. And if he gets hurt or is a turnover machine again, he raises your draft stock. It seems like the perfect boom or bust move that gets the Colts to a franchise QB faster either way.

When he is on the field, he has big play ability. With the Colts O line and Taylor, it would make running play action a dream.

Brylok 03-05-2022 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 225052)
FWIW this guy agrees with you on Trubisky:

https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/es...-buffalo-bills

I have no idea what they're going to do, and I'm not advocating for Trubisky to come. I'm just being realistic as to who we can get.

JAFF 03-05-2022 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 225078)
I have no idea what they're going to do, and I'm not advocating for Trubisky to come. I'm just being realistic as to who we can get.

Realistic? In this place? Wwwhhhhhhaaaaaaatttttt?….

Oldcolt 03-05-2022 06:56 PM

No matter who we end up with we will have a shittier QB than elite teams we play. We need to improve this team in so many areas if we are going to have any chance whatsoever. It will be impossible without a ton of development of our young guys. These coach hires are incredibly important

Brylok 03-06-2022 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 225081)
Realistic? In this place? Wwwhhhhhhaaaaaaatttttt?….

There are still some people over on dotcom who think Luck is coming back. I'm like WTF?? Just delusional.

Brylok 03-06-2022 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 225085)
No matter who we end up with we will have a shittier QB than elite teams we play. We need to improve this team in so many areas if we are going to have any chance whatsoever. It will be impossible without a ton of development of our young guys. These coach hires are incredibly important

Yep. And they're hiring former players for coaching positions. Yikes.

IndyNorm 03-06-2022 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 224929)
He won the game against Jimmy. If you dont think the 9ers have more weapons I don't know what to tell ya. Both on offense and defense. and they only won one more game than the colts

Playoffs?

172 yds no TD. 1 int. vs Cowboys
131 yds. no TD. and 1 INT vs the packers
232 yds 2 TD and 1 game losing INT vs Rams

9ers won in spite of Jimmy

Their D is very good

And if he is so good why would they give him up for a 3rd ?

He's not better than Wentz

The 49ers have nowhere near the plethora of receiving weapons you seem to think they do. Samual and Kittle are great, no doubt. Their WR2 Aiyuk (at least statistically) is pretty good. After that there's a huge dropoff. Their 4th most productive receiver in '21 was a FB who racked up a total of 296 yards which is 17 ypg.

Also, while our receiving core definitely needs some upgrading especially at WR2, Wentz's inability to distribute the ball really hurt their production. I did a quick YoY analysis of yards per game for our receivers between '20 and '21 and most of the drop offs are staggering:

TY -35%
Pascal -39%
Hines -39%
MAC -29%
TE3 (Burton/Granson) -68%, although some of that is probably due to vet vs. rookie.

I don't think Jimmy G is our savior, but he's better than Wentz. Mostly b/c of how bad Wentz is.

Dam8610 03-06-2022 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 225085)
No matter who we end up with we will have a shittier QB than elite teams we play. We need to improve this team in so many areas if we are going to have any chance whatsoever. It will be impossible without a ton of development of our young guys. These coach hires are incredibly important

If they sign Winston and the light finishes coming on, that might not be the case. That's basically the only hope at this point, though, and it's not much of one.

JAFF 03-06-2022 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 225095)
Yep. And they're hiring former players for coaching positions. Yikes.

Because a former player like Dungy was a huge mistake


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