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Lov2fish 02-13-2022 02:43 PM

Wentz Getting Cut? Maybe
 
According to Mortenson it is possible

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/...183611183.html

Hoopsdoc 02-13-2022 03:05 PM

I think this will happen and it’s mandated from Irsay.

I think they roll with Ehlinger/free agent/draft pick next year.

Chromeburn 02-13-2022 03:38 PM

Yeah, I have a feeling he thinks his shit doesn’t stink. Even Peyton would admit things he needed to work on each off season. Wentz has been quiet as a church mouse. Just work on your mechanics at least.

JAFF 02-13-2022 04:39 PM

Ok, cut him. Who is going to play QB? A kid from Texas with a weak arm?

Who steps in? Could it happen? Sure, but without a replacement, it doesnt make sense

Brylok 02-13-2022 04:39 PM

Colts won't win a single game with Ehlinger.
Zach Hicks thinks it will be Mariota according to his Twitter account.
So... Mariota and Ehlinger. Electrifying.

JAFF 02-13-2022 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 223623)
Colts won't win a single game with Ehlinger.
Zach Hicks thinks it will be Mariota according to his Twitter account.
So... Mariota and Ehlinger. Electrifying.

If Mariota could win a championship, he would be their starter

omahacolt 02-13-2022 06:10 PM

as he should be


the wentz experience should be over

CletusPyle 02-13-2022 06:12 PM

I think the Colts think their best chance is to emulate the 2012 Baltimore Ravens...they need someone to play the role of Ed Reed and the role of Joe Flacco! They should be able to find a Flacco stand in without breaking the bank!

Brylok 02-13-2022 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 223628)
I think the Colts think their best chance is to emulate the 2012 Baltimore Ravens...they need someone to play the role of Ed Reed and the role of Joe Flacco! They should be able to find a Flacco stand in without breaking the bank!

We don't have anyone near the caliber of Ed Reed on our roster.

CletusPyle 02-13-2022 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 223633)
We don't have anyone near the caliber of Ed Reed on our roster.

I agree...that will be tougher to find than a Flacco substitute!

JAFF 02-13-2022 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 223613)
I think this will happen and it’s mandated from Irsay.

I think they roll with Ehlinger/free agent/draft pick next year.

That would be the waste of a year

Butter 02-13-2022 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 223640)
That would be the waste of a year

So would another year of mediocrity.

JAFF 02-13-2022 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 223653)
So would another year of mediocrity.

If the coaches or front office thought that, the Colts would have cut him

Chromeburn 02-13-2022 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 223623)
Colts won't win a single game with Ehlinger.
Zach Hicks thinks it will be Mariota according to his Twitter account.
So... Mariota and Ehlinger. Electrifying.

Mariota won’t win much either. Looks like 2023 draft.

Find a LT and some more weapons this draft. Passrush specialist.

Oldcolt 02-13-2022 11:20 PM

The Colts have been exceedingly tight lipped as a team since Ballard took over. This doesn't smell right, unless Wentz is going to be let go very soon. Either way, keeping him or dumping his shitty ass, things look bleak for this team right now. There are a ton of teams who want a QB out there and we have about as little capital to get one as any who are in the chase.

CletusPyle 02-13-2022 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 223741)
The Colts have been exceedingly tight lipped as a team since Ballard took over. This doesn't smell right, unless Wentz is going to be let go very soon. Either way, keeping him or dumping his shitty ass, things look bleak for this team right now. There are a ton of teams who want a QB out there and we have about as little capital to get one as any who are in the chase.

This info was leaked to Mortensen for a reason....it looks to me like the decision to get rid of Wentz has already been made!

rcubed 02-14-2022 12:03 AM

Done.

IndyNorm 02-14-2022 12:45 AM

Fingers crossed we can trade his worthless ass, so we don't have to eat any of his salary.

JAFF 02-14-2022 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 223758)
Fingers crossed we can trade his worthless ass, so we don't have to eat any of his salary.

Why do fans worry about the salary cap? Its not coming out of your account.

Racehorse 02-14-2022 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 223774)
Why do fans worry about the salary cap? Its not coming out of your account.

Competitive advantages of not wasting cap dollars is a good reason for me.

Hoopsdoc 02-14-2022 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 223640)
That would be the waste of a year

Another year with Wentz would be worse than a wasted year, because it would end the same or worse than this year and we still wouldn’t know if Ehlinger or someone else is the answer.

Wentz has got to go.

Mr. Session 02-14-2022 08:46 AM

It’s shit like this that makes me feel so apathetic towards all of this because Both perspectives are right. Staying with him is stupid because you already know what you have, dumping him after a year illustrates poor decision making on the part of management, and I thought they were legitimately better than that.

This isn’t what I expected in year whatever of this regime. I’ve liked how Ballard’s built the team from the inside out, and I can work with the quarterback issues because I know some of that wasn’t in his control. But where the fuck is this team going?

I think the off-season will be more exciting. There’s no way they enter next season without making some kind of major move to drum up fan enthusiasm. I don’t live in Indianapolis but I have to imagine moral is pretty shitty. .

Hoopsdoc 02-14-2022 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 223780)
It’s shit like this that makes me feel so apathetic towards all of this because Both perspectives are right. Staying with him is stupid because you already know what you have, dumping him after a year illustrates poor decision making on the part of management, and I thought they were legitimately better than that.

This isn’t what I expected in year whatever of this regime. I’ve liked how Ballard’s built the team from the inside out, and I can work with the quarterback issues because I know some of that wasn’t in his control. But where the fuck is this team going?

I think the off-season will be more exciting. There’s no way they enter next season without making some kind of major move to drum up fan enthusiasm. I don’t live in Indianapolis but I have to imagine moral is pretty shitty. .

To be fair to Ballard, there are very very few good quarterbacks and every team that doesn’t have one is trying their damndest to get one.

It’s not easy.

CletusPyle 02-14-2022 10:43 AM

Let me ask a question of those of you that have a good understanding of Wentz's contract. My understanding is, if the Colts cut him by March 18th, they save themselves $13M...but are still on the hook for $15M in 2022. If he is traded I assume part of that $15M would be off the books? What happens if he signs with another team, are the Colts still required to pay him the $15M?

ZionsvilleColtsFan 02-14-2022 10:46 AM

Should take Ballard with him.

Dam8610 02-14-2022 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 223792)
Let me ask a question of those of you that have a good understanding of Wentz's contract. My understanding is, if the Colts cut him by March 18th, they save themselves $13M...but are still on the hook for $15M in 2022. If he is traded I assume part of that $15M would be off the books? What happens if he signs with another team, are the Colts still required to pay him the $15M?

That $15 million is guaranteed money that the Colts agreed to by having him on the roster on the third day of the league year last year. If he is on the roster on the third day of the league year this year, the remainder of his current year salary becomes guaranteed.

The problem I have with cutting or trading Wentz is what exactly are you going to find with the $13 million of freed up money plus the cap space available that is going to be better than Wentz? Have the Colts suddenly gained a great deal of faith in Jameis Winston or Teddy Bridgewater, both of whom they recently had chances to sign a their starting QB and chose not to? Are they going to go full Rams for Russell Wilson, who himself is coming off a career worst year? The Packers will want too much for Rodgers, the Texans will not trade Watson here. If you get rid of Wentz, what's the play?

Colts And Orioles 02-14-2022 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsvilleColtsFan (Post 223793)



Should take Ballard with him.




o


And replace him with ???

o

ChaosTheory 02-14-2022 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 223799)
o


And replace him with ???

o

Grigson or someone of that ilk, hopefully. He'd bring in guys like Calais Campbell, A.J. Green, Tyrant Mathieu, and Cam Newton. Among others

This way, instead of barely missing the playoffs with $50m in the bank... We can barely make the playoffs with none money in the bank and people can't say we didn't try. Which is the important thing.

Plus, our GM needs to be able to bench press a shitload.

JAFF 02-14-2022 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 223742)
This info was leaked to Mortensen for a reason....it looks to me like the decision to get rid of Wentz has already been made!

You dont know that. Mort loves to dynamite fish, see what floats to the surface.

CletusPyle 02-14-2022 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 223818)
You dont know that. Mort loves to dynamite fish, see what floats to the surface.

True....he likes to stir the soup, but it would make sense to leak it if they are planning to let him go, there is still time to rework his contract if another team would be interested in acquiring him.

CletusPyle 02-14-2022 07:22 PM

This entire article is conjecture....but it does present some possibilities for those that would like to see the Colts move on from Wentz.

https://sports.yahoo.com/6-potential...143217688.html

JAFF 02-14-2022 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 223799)
o


And replace him with ???

o

Stop making sense.

I am retiring in May so I will be available and I will want a cap friendly contract

Dam8610 02-14-2022 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 223825)
This entire article is conjecture....but it does present some possibilities for those that would like to see the Colts move on from Wentz.

https://sports.yahoo.com/6-potential...143217688.html

The Seattle idea is laughable. John Schneider is not going to take on Wentz and give the Colts Wilson for 1 draft pick. It would have to be a Goff like deal.

Racehorse 02-14-2022 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 223795)
That $15 million is guaranteed money that the Colts agreed to by having him on the roster on the third day of the league year last year. If he is on the roster on the third day of the league year this year, the remainder of his current year salary becomes guaranteed.

The problem I have with cutting or trading Wentz is what exactly are you going to find with the $13 million of freed up money plus the cap space available that is going to be better than Wentz? Have the Colts suddenly gained a great deal of faith in Jameis Winston or Teddy Bridgewater, both of whom they recently had chances to sign a their starting QB and chose not to? Are they going to go full Rams for Russell Wilson, who himself is coming off a career worst year? The Packers will want too much for Rodgers, the Texans will not trade Watson here. If you get rid of Wentz, what's the play?

Therein is the rub. What are the alternatives? I would guess they feel they need to move on from the guy before his stench permeates the locker room, but what are the options as a replacement? Sam is likely not ready, and may never be. I read Love might be traded, but is he an upgrade? Doubtful. Jimmy G? Maybe, but not likely to be that much better. The top three names (Rodgers, Wilson, Watson) are very remote dreams. Other FA guys are about the same. The draft shows no real promise. Maybe they go after a FA guy for a couple of years, and hope to catch fire with the surrounding cast. All I know is that Wentz will likely be gone, and that is probably a good thing.

daedge 02-15-2022 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 223818)
You dont know that. Mort loves to dynamite fish, see what floats to the surface.

He also really battles to spit out his words these days.

MeSayDayo 02-15-2022 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 223795)
That $15 million is guaranteed money that the Colts agreed to by having him on the roster on the third day of the league year last year. If he is on the roster on the third day of the league year this year, the remainder of his current year salary becomes guaranteed.

The problem I have with cutting or trading Wentz is what exactly are you going to find with the $13 million of freed up money plus the cap space available that is going to be better than Wentz? Have the Colts suddenly gained a great deal of faith in Jameis Winston or Teddy Bridgewater, both of whom they recently had chances to sign a their starting QB and chose not to? Are they going to go full Rams for Russell Wilson, who himself is coming off a career worst year? The Packers will want too much for Rodgers, the Texans will not trade Watson here. If you get rid of Wentz, what's the play?

What you are going to do is be able to get some fresh talent in at the QB position. It doesn't make a wasted year as bad as it needs to be. We can evaluate young players like Ehlinger and bring in more talent everywhere. Build up a bit for 2023 and make your real move then.
If the team is serious about locking up Q, becoming a run first team to a degree...I think going for a young stud QB in the 2023 draft is the play. The only way to get closer to that without mortgaging the future to do it would be to lose JUST enough games in 2022 with stopgap QB solutions to land us a top 15 picks. Short term pain, long term gain. Unfortunately, I think our overall roster is too good and we are too competitive to actually put this plan into fruition. Ballard and Reich's seats are at the very least lukewarm at this point. They NEED to make a move now.
My pick is honestly take a one year flyer on Winston. At least he didn't fail in New Orleans because of ineptitude like Wentz. We could get him for what...7 mil a year? Give it a shot, so that the fans have something fun to watch during what we all hope will be a losing year.

One thing is jumping out at me though....Ballard has been super mum on the QB's in this upcoming draft. Maybe he loves one or two of them? Maybe this is the year he moves up to get his guy. Who knows? Trade a player, next years first...things can happen. I would think that the top 2 QBs in this draft even are worth at least two firsts to move up and grab, despite the question marks around their game. Maybe you land Rosen, maybe you land Herbert? Should be an interesting two months for Colts fans. Ballard's moves in FA will surely telegraph his draft strategy though.

omahacolt 02-15-2022 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by daedge (Post 223849)
He also really battles to spit out his words these days.

Didn’t he have a couple bouts of cancer

Lov2fish 02-15-2022 02:08 PM

Can Sam really be worse than Wentz? He has better mobility than Wentz. I know the knock is no deep ball, but I watched Wentz under throw so many balls this past season and without a shit ton of luck the dude has about 17 picks. So not convinced he has the big arm that we are lead to believe. Sam inside 30 yards has got to be more accurate than Wentz. Watching his throws (Wentz) says he is woefully off target. How many catches did receivers make in 21 that bailed Wentz out? To many to count. Give the kid a chance. For fucksakes Brady was a 6th. rounder. How did that turn out?

omahacolt 02-15-2022 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 223874)
Can Sam really be worse than Wentz? He has better mobility than Wentz. I know the knock is no deep ball, but I watched Wentz under throw so many balls this past season and without a shit ton of luck the dude has about 17 picks. So not convinced he has the big arm that we are lead to believe. Sam inside 30 yards has got to be more accurate than Wentz. Watching his throws (Wentz) says he is woefully off target. How many catches did receivers make in 21 that bailed Wentz out? To many to count. Give the kid a chance. For fucksakes Brady was a 6th. rounder. How did that turn out?

Yeah. He could be worse.

But really that doesn’t matter to me. We aren’t competing for the super bowl next year. With or without Wentz

Lov2fish 02-15-2022 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 223875)
Yeah. He could be worse.

But really that doesn’t matter to me. We aren’t competing for the super bowl next year. With or without Wentz

Without correcting the QB situation we are never competing for a SB.


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