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Spike 06-06-2021 12:01 PM

Looks like Julio is going to the Titans
 
Julio Jones going to the Titans. We'll still kick their asses.

smitty46953 06-06-2021 12:02 PM

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Sources: The #Falcons are trading All-Pro WR Julio Jones to the #Titans in exchange for at least a 2nd round pick. A blockbuster for Tennessee, who now gets the coveted big-play threat. And Atlanta ends up with very nice value.

:cool:

Oldcolt 06-06-2021 02:25 PM

Going to make them a better in the short run

rm1369 06-06-2021 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 195097)
Going to make them a better in the short run

I don’t think Ballard believes the Colts window is open yet anyway. At least one more season.

JAFF 06-06-2021 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 195097)
Going to make them a better in the short run

Kick their ass up and down the field with the run game. Use multiple backs and go no huddle.

Attack their Qb on their way to their Rb. Hit that guy in the backfield, dont let him get moving downhill

Voosh 06-06-2021 04:53 PM

It's going to be an interesting season in our division.
Will Wentz thrive under Reich?
Will Julio stay healthy and put the Titans over the top?
How good is Lawrence for the Jags?
Texans?

apballin 06-06-2021 06:04 PM

Not worried about it, they lost Corey Davis and jonnu smith and are gonna try and replace that with a worn down Julio that had 3 tds last year

Smith did that in 1 game

Chromeburn 06-06-2021 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Voosh (Post 195102)
It's going to be an interesting season in our division.
Will Wentz thrive under Reich?
Will Julio stay healthy and put the Titans over the top?
How good is Lawrence for the Jags?
Texans?

Texans are about to rebuild. I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade Watson.

This is a good trade for Tenn with Henry it will be difficult to double Julio all the time.

rm1369 06-06-2021 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 195108)
Texans are about to rebuild. I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade Watson.


The vast majority of their issues have been self inflicted, but damn they have been screwed by this whole deal. The market for Watson has to be severely diminished at this point. I think the Dolphins are going to end up getting a hell of a bargain on Watson.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 195108)
This is a good trade for Tenn with Henry it will be difficult to double Julio all the time.

Not to mention Brown. Makes a lot of sense for them if they think their window is now. With the short shelf life on RBs, I’d think it is. They’ll likely get 2 goods years out of the two. Worth the gamble. Otherwise I think they’d take a step back this year with the other losses.

Oldcolt 06-07-2021 09:40 AM

Having Watson as the face of your organization would be a nightmare. He seems like a POS. I hate Miami (leftover hate from taking Shula from us-long memory) so Watson would fit that franchise perfectly.

Racehorse 06-07-2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 195111)
The vast majority of their issues have been self inflicted, but damn they have been screwed by this whole deal. The market for Watson has to be severely diminished at this point. I think the Dolphins are going to end up getting a hell of a bargain on Watson.



Not to mention Brown. Makes a lot of sense for them if they think their window is now. With the short shelf life on RBs, I’d think it is. They’ll likely get 2 goods years out of the two. Worth the gamble. Otherwise I think they’d take a step back this year with the other losses.

I don't think this makes up for the other losses, but makes them a little better than they were last week. Their CB room is an unknown, and their OL is suspect. I think we can get to Tannehill and make it a long day for him, frustrating Henry, Jones and Brown in the process.

Lawrence Owen 06-08-2021 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 195104)
Not worried about it, they lost Corey Davis and jonnu smith and are gonna try and replace that with a worn down Julio that had 3 tds last year

Smith did that in 1 game

But in the span of 8 games (Yes he played 9, but 2 of those were like 25% of the snaps, so I count those 2 as one game) he had 774 yards.

That's 1500 yards had he played the entire season.

If he can stay healthy, he is a guy who can get the titans big yardage numbers every game, even at 32 years old.

But Xavier Rhodes has a history of playing Julio (and other big bodied possession WR's like A.J. Brown) very well.

The question then would be: "Who's going to cover 'the other guy".

HoosierinFL 06-08-2021 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence Owen (Post 195200)
But in the span of 8 games (Yes he played 9, but 2 of those were like 25% of the snaps, so I count those 2 as one game) he had 774 yards.

That's 1500 yards had he played the entire season.

If he can stay healthy, he is a guy who can get the titans big yardage numbers every game, even at 32 years old.

But Xavier Rhodes has a history of playing Julio (and other big bodied possession WR's like A.J. Brown) very well.

The question then would be: "Who's going to cover 'the other guy".


Well we still have Kenny Moore, and I remain optimistic about Rock and Marvell Tell and TJ Carrie.

Oldcolt 06-08-2021 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 195204)
Well we still have Kenny Moore, and I remain optimistic about Rock and Marvell Tell and TJ Carrie.

I wouldn't say I am optimistic about any of these guys just yet. I do hold out high hopes for Tell, I think he played well the second half of his rookie year after switching from safety in college. I hope that that bodes well for him At 6-2 he is a bigger cb and we could use that. Rock is in a tough situation. He has a reputation for using his hand inappropriately, refs are not going to give him much leeway. He seems to have the physical tools but is not progressing as you would like. He needs to get his shit together this season or he may be gone. TJ was solid last year. I hope he can repeat. The best way to upgrade these dudes is to improve the pass rush.

Brylok 06-08-2021 06:00 PM

We're set up to run the ball down people's throats, wear them down, and then steam roll them with Taylor. If/when they stack the box: Wentz has deep strike ability (I hope) and can make throws all over the field. The offense should be well balanced. Colts defense is iffy regarding CBs and safeties (kinda), but I'm not worried about Julio Jones at all. Pascal will probably have a better year than Jones.

Workhorse 06-08-2021 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by brylok (Post 195231)
pascal will probably have a better year than jones.

😂

JAFF 06-09-2021 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 195231)
We're set up to run the ball down people's throats, wear them down, and then steam roll them with Taylor. If/when they stack the box: Wentz has deep strike ability (I hope) and can make throws all over the field. The offense should be well balanced. Colts defense is iffy regarding CBs and safeties (kinda), but I'm not worried about Julio Jones at all. Pascal will probably have a better year than Jones.

Pascal. http://https://www.pro-football-refe...P/PascZa00.htm

Jones. http://https://www.pro-football-refe...J/JoneJu02.htm

He’s not Jones but he played in every game, and he scored more TDs with a new Qb. And hes a bit more affordable under the cap.

I know hes not a HOF candidate. But he made plays and was available, which a more talented Campbell hasnot been for the colts

TheMugwump 06-09-2021 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 195231)
Pascal will probably have a better year than Jones.

If he does, and if he is still our WR 4 by the end of the year, I like our chances in the division.

Butter 06-09-2021 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Workhorse (Post 195242)
😂

If he is injured half the season it could happen I guess.

JAFF 06-09-2021 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 195252)
If he does, and if he is still our WR 4 by the end of the year, I like our chances in the division.

:)

Chromeburn 06-09-2021 01:30 PM

Jones has been pretty healthy throughout his career. Not sure where this always injured narrative is coming from.

apballin 06-09-2021 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 195276)
Jones has been pretty healthy throughout his career. Not sure where this always injured narrative is coming from.

He’s played an entire season (16 games) - 3 times out of his career, played the least amount of games in his career for a season last year and has 13 injuries to his right foot alone

Chromeburn 06-10-2021 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 195298)
He’s played an entire season (16 games) - 3 times out of his career, played the least amount of games in his career for a season last year and has 13 injuries to his right foot alone

That's a bit misleading. By that measurement, TY has only played four 16 game seasons.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JoneJu02.htm

He's played less than 13 games only twice. Last year and 2013. We have plenty of guys sit out a game or two at the end of the season to rest and heal up.

What we should be noticing is that he has burned us every time he has played us.

TheMugwump 06-10-2021 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 195333)
That's a bit misleading. By that measurement, TY has only played four 16 game seasons.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JoneJu02.htm

He's played less than 13 games only twice. Last year and 2013. We have plenty of guys sit out a game or two at the end of the season to rest and heal up.

What we should be noticing is that he has burned us every time he has played us.

With respect, TY has been injured/hurt more than he's been healthy the last four years (Luck's last year, he played a lot of games, but remember that he hardly ever practiced because he was dinged up so bad). So your comparison is apt. Jones is trending toward injury, and the most recent seasons are probably the best predictor of what will happen moving forward.

Chromeburn 06-11-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 195377)
With respect, TY has been injured/hurt more than he's been healthy the last four years (Luck's last year, he played a lot of games, but remember that he hardly ever practiced because he was dinged up so bad). So your comparison is apt. Jones is trending toward injury, and the most recent seasons are probably the best predictor of what will happen moving forward.

TY has been trending lately, but my point is over his whole career? Jones last five seasons is 9, 15, 16, 16, 14, 16. That’s not a trend of injury. I think you guys just want to label it a bad deal or Andre Johnson 2.0. Not every vet is Andre Johnson. Guy is a first ballot hall of famer. Maybe it’s just he is a NFC player, but the guy is very good and a physical freak, even at 32. Rock is going to be matched up with Julio and I do not like that matchup at all. Assuming he wins the starting job.

Oldcolt 06-11-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 195408)
TY has been trending lately, but my point is over his whole career? Jones last five seasons is 9, 15, 16, 16, 14, 16. That’s not a trend of injury. I think you guys just want to label it a bad deal or Andre Johnson 2.0. Not every vet is Andre Johnson. Guy is a first ballot hall of famer. Maybe it’s just he is a NFC player, but the guy is very good and a physical freak, even at 32. Rock is going to be matched up with Julio and I do not like that matchup at all. Assuming he wins the starting job.

Why would you put your worst cb on him? Rhodes has played him well in the past. And I'm hoping that Tell wins the starting cb job over Rock.

Chromeburn 06-11-2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 195414)
Why would you put your worst cb on him? Rhodes has played him well in the past. And I'm hoping that Tell wins the starting cb job over Rock.

Coverage isn’t set in stone. They will move their guys around and we will move ours. But Julio may not come in as the number one receiver, but the number two behind AJ Brown. That could change. But I would want my best outside corner on their number 1 receiver which I think is Brown now. Who also has more familiarity and experience with Tannehill.

Racehorse 06-11-2021 12:30 PM

Here is a video with salary cap breakdown of the Titans, with commentary added about the Jones trade. He is the same guy Lawrence Owen had on to discuss our salary cap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNpblOteyUE

YDFL Commish 06-11-2021 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 195408)
Rock is going to be matched up with Julio and I do not like that matchup at all. Assuming he wins the starting job.

Flus will play almost entirely cover-2 or cover-3 vs the Tits. It keeps you from getting beat deep and too have your DB's facing the LOS to help vs the run.

The onus will be on safeties, not so much Roc or Xavier.

Chromeburn 06-11-2021 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 195445)
Flus will play almost entirely cover-2 or cover-3 vs the Tits. It keeps you from getting beat deep and too have your DB's facing the LOS to help vs the run.

The onus will be on safeties, not so much Roc or Xavier.

Maybe on obvious passing downs. What are you going to do on 2nd and 4? That’s the problem with a Derrick Henry lead offense.

Hoopsdoc 06-12-2021 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 195097)
Going to make them a better in the short run

On paper yes, but how long until Henry starts to wear down? He’s only 27 but he already has 1200 carries under his belt and he’s been pretty healthy thus far.

If Henry breaks down, that offense breaks down. Assuming they’ll run the same offense, because Arthur Smith is in Atlanta now.

A lot of moving parts involved there. It’s certainly not guaranteed that they’ll be better.

Dam8610 06-12-2021 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 195452)
On paper yes, but how long until Henry starts to wear down? He’s only 27 but he already has 1200 carries under his belt and he’s been pretty healthy thus far.

If Henry breaks down, that offense breaks down. Assuming they’ll run the same offense, because Arthur Smith is in Atlanta now.

A lot of moving parts involved there. It’s certainly not guaranteed that they’ll be better.

Running Backs age like milk, but the expiration date is typically 30.

Chromeburn 06-12-2021 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 195452)
On paper yes, but how long until Henry starts to wear down? He’s only 27 but he already has 1200 carries under his belt and he’s been pretty healthy thus far.

If Henry breaks down, that offense breaks down. Assuming they’ll run the same offense, because Arthur Smith is in Atlanta now.

A lot of moving parts involved there. It’s certainly not guaranteed that they’ll be better.

It's not going to be next week and you can say this about any offense or defense if they lose their star player. Tennessee was the 4th best overall offense last year. They were pretty darn good. So they have a couple year window and are taking their shot. That's usually the average for most teams.

JAFF 06-12-2021 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 195461)
It's not going to be next week and you can say this about any offense or defense if they lose their star player. Tennessee was the 4th best overall offense last year. They were pretty darn good. So they have a couple year window and are taking their shot. That's usually the average for most teams.

The Defense must first stop the run. The next step for the Tits is play action. The safeties need to be disciplined on their reads to keep Tannahill from rolling out and making easy completions. The Colts D needs to throw some stunts and blitz packages to put stress on the Tits O line.

The Colts O line is the best group on the team. If they can turn estabilish the run, use RPOs to their advantage, they can flip the Titans if they cant stop the Colts run game

Oldcolt 06-13-2021 10:05 AM

Titans offense was better than ours before the trade, will be even better after the trade. Our strength, however, is offensive line and that makes up for a lot. I think we are a much better team in that our defense is better than the Titans and is about to take another step in my opinion.We are in a good position.

Chromeburn 06-13-2021 07:22 PM

It will probably come down to whether we can stop Henry in a nickle package. If we have to put 7 or 8 in the box Jones and Brown both have great stats against a 7 and 8 man front. Henry has great stats against 6 man fronts. It will be interesting to see how we handle.

I think there is less respect for the Titans on here because we have owned them for so long. Maybe less respect for them and too much respect for the jags bc they keep beating us.

YDFL Commish 06-13-2021 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 195481)
It will probably come down to whether we can stop Henry in a nickle package. If we have to put 7 or 8 in the box Jones and Brown both have great stats against a 7 and 8 man front. Henry has great stats against 6 man fronts. It will be interesting to see how we handle.

I think there is less respect for the Titans on here because we have owned them for so long. Maybe less respect for them and too much respect for the jags bc they keep beating us.

As far as I can tell we have only owned the Texicans.

TheMugwump 06-13-2021 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 195483)
As far as I can tell we have only owned the Texicans.

Indy has won 20 out of the last 25 against Tennessee and 28 out of the last 36 against. That's pretty much ownership in my book.

apballin 06-14-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 195481)
It will probably come down to whether we can stop Henry in a nickle package. If we have to put 7 or 8 in the box Jones and Brown both have great stats against a 7 and 8 man front. Henry has great stats against 6 man fronts. It will be interesting to see how we handle.

I think there is less respect for the Titans on here because we have owned them for so long. Maybe less respect for them and too much respect for the jags bc they keep beating us.

We beat their ass in the first meeting and played the 2nd game without Buckner and Taylor so yeah I don’t respect em especially when they lost a lot of offensive production out of 2 guys they let walk in free agency this was an act of desperation in my opinion one that doesn’t make the offense any better than we faced last year

And I’m still saying Wentz is a big improvement over Rivers so advantage Colts

Chromeburn 06-14-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 195511)
We beat their ass in the first meeting and played the 2nd game without Buckner and Taylor so yeah I don’t respect em especially when they lost a lot of offensive production out of 2 guys they let walk in free agency this was an act of desperation in my opinion one that doesn’t make the offense any better than we faced last year

And I’m still saying Wentz is a big improvement over Rivers so advantage Colts

Julio is a better player than what they lost.

I’m not sold on Wentz. He was god awful last year. Rivers had years of good seasons under his belt. How many does Wentz? 2-3? I’m hopeful he can turn it around, but not gonna delude myself.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/l...old-drew-lock/


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