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Coltsalr 02-09-2017 03:07 PM

Colts Cut DQ Jackson
 
Rotoworld Football ‏@Rotoworld_FB 5m5 minutes ago
Colts cut D'Qwell Jackson, get $5.5M in space http://tinyurl.com/gn5ogfk


Good riddance.

PeytonsForehead 02-09-2017 03:26 PM

http://media.giphy.com/media/aiKqCiMmlHgPK/giphy.gif

sherck 02-09-2017 03:27 PM

Woop, there it is!

There was no way they could keep him; he just did not fit what the Colts need at ILB and Erwin Jackson is a much younger, faster and cheaper version of D'Q.

Good luck, D'Qwell. I hope you don't punch any more pizza delivery guys.

Cheers,

Brylok 02-09-2017 03:31 PM

Colts are mighty thin on linebackers. I expect this to be addressed through free agency and the draft. Ballard needs to produce in this department.

Wyatt 02-09-2017 03:41 PM

Good riddance

rcubed 02-09-2017 04:35 PM

good move.

Dam8610 02-09-2017 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 2168)
good move.

A year overdue move.

Indiana V2 02-09-2017 05:30 PM

So how much cap money does this free up?

Dam8610 02-09-2017 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana V2 (Post 2175)
So how much cap money does this free up?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 2141)
Rotoworld Football ‏@Rotoworld_FB 5m5 minutes ago
Colts cut D'Qwell Jackson, get $5.5M in space http://tinyurl.com/gn5ogfk


Good riddance.

See bolded.

HoosierinFL 02-09-2017 06:44 PM

Mildly surprised. I think it's a good sign that Ballard sees some of the problems, like old slow LBs.

sherck 02-09-2017 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 2191)
Mildly surprised. I think it's a good sign that Ballard sees some of the problems, like old slow LBs.

True.

Alas, we only have young, slow LBs to replace him with.

#ThanksGrigson

Cheers,

omahacolt 02-09-2017 08:26 PM

had to see that coming

VeveJones007 02-09-2017 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 2191)
Mildly surprised. I think it's a good sign that Ballard sees some of the problems, like old slow LBs.

Really? This one was a no-brainer. I would've been shocked if they didn't make this move.

Coltsalr 02-09-2017 10:11 PM

I think the mild "surprise" is coming because none of us really know what to make of Ballard yet. Yes, we've all heard that he's very smart and very well respected, but his retaining of Pagano has probably led to a perception that he's a bit afraid to drop the hammer.

If he goes on a Grigson-like purge of the roster, then I'll certainly take notice.

Grigson wasn't afraid to rid the roster of guys that were no longer useful. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a guy from the 2011 roster that Grigson cut that went on to do great things. We were quite talent deprived then. Unfortunately, Grigson sucked at acquiring talent too, so we're yet again talent deprived and back where we started.

But yes, with Ballard having a reputation for both being smart AND nice and at least his initial hesitancy to dump Pagano and with only one cut to his name thus far, how many guys get cut might be a major hint as to what Ballard's MO will be.

OneVoice 02-10-2017 12:46 AM

And, the Colts save another $5M by cutting Arthur Jones, right?

I would've thought AJ was in front of DQ on the chopping block.

sherck 02-10-2017 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OneVoice (Post 2209)
And, the Colts save another $5M by cutting Arthur Jones, right?

I would've thought AJ was in front of DQ on the chopping block.

$5.150m.

My only guesses at this point are:

A) He has been reviewing LB first since he knows that is a total disaster and other parts of the defense are coming next.

B) Jones showed, in at least three games in 2016 where he had 6/6/8 tackles that he has the ability to be an impact player. He just does not have the health and/or coaching to do that on a consistent basis.

I still think he will be cut. It may not come until after our initial free agency signings to see if we can get someone better for that same $5.150m a year.

Cheers,

Racehorse 02-10-2017 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 2206)

Grigson wasn't afraid to rid the roster of guys that were no longer useful. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a guy from the 2011 roster that Grigson cut that went on to do great things.

Ever hear of a guy named Dwight Freeney?

Coltsalr 02-10-2017 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 2228)
Ever hear of a guy named Dwight Freeney?

He played on the 2012 team.

I'm talking about guys from the 2011 team that were on the chopping block for Grigson's great purge in his first couple of months. Brackett, Bullitt, Addai, Clark, Gonzalez, etc. There were A LOT of Polian guys that were on that team that either never played another down or had very limited chances elsewhere.

OneVoice 02-10-2017 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 2214)
$5.150m.

My only guesses at this point are:

A) He has been reviewing LB first since he knows that is a total disaster and other parts of the defense are coming next.

B) Jones showed, in at least three games in 2016 where he had 6/6/8 tackles that he has the ability to be an impact player. He just does not have the health and/or coaching to do that on a consistent basis.

I still think he will be cut. It may not come until after our initial free agency signings to see if we can get someone better for that same $5.150m a year.

Cheers,

I thought AJ was helpful when he played, teamed up with Langford, but it's been so few and far between and the Colts statements seemed so bleak talking about him. He's already got paid so I guess it's just a matter of whether or not Ballard thinks he's healthy and can stand up for a season.

With DQ gone, looks like we'll be experimenting with a 6-1 defense next year ;)

OneVoice 02-10-2017 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 2228)
Ever hear of a guy named Dwight Freeney?

I always hated this move by Grigson / he probably never even reached out to him ...I think letting Freeney walk at first was fine and test FA, but Grigs should've stayed in contact with him. It's a shame that Bruce Arians saw the value.

We should've designed our D with the good players the Colts already had in hand instead of trying to reinvent everything.

Spike 02-10-2017 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OneVoice (Post 2235)
I always hated this move by Grigson / he probably never even reached out to him ...I think letting Freeney walk at first was fine and test FA, but Grigs should've stayed in contact with him. It's a shame that Bruce Arians saw the value.

We should've designed our D with the good players the Colts already had in hand instead of trying to reinvent everything.

Another reason to hate Pagano. Freeney looked pretty damn good in the Super Bowl.

Coltsalr 02-10-2017 12:11 PM

I'd keep Arthur Jones if it could somehow help bring Chandler Jones over here.

With the Cardinals saying that Chandler Jones isn't going anywhere (and with Arians saying they'll just use the franchise tag if need be), that does it for any of Arthur Jones' potential usefulness for me.

Indystu2 02-10-2017 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 2236)
Freeney looked pretty damn good in the Super Bowl.

As part of a pretty decent D-line around him.

He would look old and slow in the Colts 2016 defense. Still, I wanted to see him get another ring and ride off into the sunset. I say no to Freeney back on the Colts, as much I like him as a player and ex-Colt.

Racehorse 02-10-2017 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 2230)
He played on the 2012 team.

I'm talking about guys from the 2011 team that were on the chopping block for Grigson's great purge in his first couple of months. Brackett, Bullitt, Addai, Clark, Gonzalez, etc. There were A LOT of Polian guys that were on that team that either never played another down or had very limited chances elsewhere.

Are you saying that Polian left us with a shitty roster and Grigson had to fix it? Well, we all know Dam will argue against that one.

Coltsalr 02-10-2017 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 2262)
Are you saying that Polian left us with a shitty roster and Grigson had to fix it? Well, we all know Dam will argue against that one.

Yep, and failed epically to do so.

It's impossible to ascertain how much of the shitty roster being left for Grigson was Chris/Bill, but suffice to say, it was indeed "Polian". I would argue that Grigson was just about as bad as that, if not worse.

NextManUp 02-10-2017 04:26 PM

The only thing I am going to miss will be the way Bob Lamey pronounces his name Dick Well Jackson.
http://m.colts.com/videos/videos/Lam...f-6c91a03d0448
It made me laugh every time.

bertjones 02-10-2017 07:46 PM

SO much work to be done here. Sherck was right a month or so ago
when he said that the Colts needed a football equivalent of the
Manhattan project regarding Linebackers.

YDFL Commish 02-10-2017 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneVoice (Post 2235)
I always hated this move by Grigson / he probably never even reached out to him ...I think letting Freeney walk at first was fine and test FA, but Grigs should've stayed in contact with him. It's a shame that Bruce Arians saw the value.

We should've designed our D with the good players the Colts already had in hand instead of trying to reinvent everything.

Letting Bethea walk in favor of signing King Kong Landry was much worse of a decision.

Dam8610 02-10-2017 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 2262)
Are you saying that Polian left us with a shitty roster and Grigson had to fix it? Well, we all know Dam will argue against that one.

No, that roster was very clearly aging and would've struggled to continue to stay competitive even with Peyton Manning at his best. The one thing Grigson did well was his rookie offseason. Maybe that went to his head or something, but after that, pretty much everything he did was awful.

Racehorse 02-10-2017 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 2272)
Yep, and failed epically to do so.

It's impossible to ascertain how much of the shitty roster being left for Grigson was Chris/Bill, but suffice to say, it was indeed "Polian". I would argue that Grigson was just about as bad as that, if not worse.

I think we had to make most of the moves we made when the roster purge occurred, but letting Freeney walk because Pagano did not know ow to use him was dumb. The Bethea thing shocked me, as he seemed to have lost a step and a half his last year here.

Then we had early success and went all in, but it did not work. If we had been able to foresee the future and know the success was because of Luck's miracles and not due to a good roster, we may have seen more success in years 4 and 5, but less in years two and three. Now we have to rebuild five years down the road. I hope Ballard is up to the task, because if he slips much, many on here will crucify him.

Racehorse 02-10-2017 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 2297)
No, that roster was very clearly aging and would've struggled to continue to stay competitive even with Peyton Manning at his best. The one thing Grigson did well was his rookie offseason. Maybe that went to his head or something, but after that, pretty much everything he did was awful.

I agree when it comes to FAs, but he had success in the first and the last drafts. If you read my post before this one, I explain what I think happened, but that does not excuse the poor decisions.

OneVoice 02-11-2017 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 2296)
Letting Bethea walk in favor of signing King Kong Landry was much worse of a decision.

Man, forgot abt Bethea / agreed

IndyNorm 02-18-2017 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherck (Post 2214)
$5.150m.

My only guesses at this point are:

A) He has been reviewing LB first since he knows that is a total disaster and other parts of the defense are coming next.

B) Jones showed, in at least three games in 2016 where he had 6/6/8 tackles that he has the ability to be an impact player. He just does not have the health and/or coaching to do that on a consistent basis.

I still think he will be cut. It may not come until after our initial free agency signings to see if we can get someone better for that same $5.150m a year.

Cheers,

I'm guessing the PED suspension probably had something to do with it too.


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