Done Deal: Colts Trade for Wentz
 

Rcubed mentioned it in the other thread, but this deserves a new thread.

Philadelphia has agreed to trade Carson Wentz to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a 2021 third-round pick and a conditional 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first, league sources tell @mortreport and me

If Carson Wentz’s playtime is at or above 75% next season, the conditional 2022 second-round pick would become a first-round pick, per sources. The second-round pick also.could become a first if Wentz plays at least 70 percent of the plays and the Colts go to the playoffs.

Not a bad trade, if it works out.

It's a great trade IMO

Will it turn into a 7th if he gets hurt in route to Indy?

At least I would think he's coming in with some to prove.

I’m not sold on it. He was so mentally jerked around in Philly that he might not be fixable


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Schefter has confirmed:

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...42800344752141

Wow - really surprised they paid this much for Wentz given the circumstances. Shows you how much I know. They must REALLY think that his problems were with Philly and not personal. Given the Ballard/Reich track record on talent evaluation (not perfect, but pretty damn good) I'm pretty excited about this.

Glad to see the deal got done. Feel much better than when the Colts gave Rivers a $25 million "golden parachute."

The other thing to remember is that if this works out, and assuming the trade does not also involve some sort of renegotiation of Wentz's contract (probably not), the Colts have Wentz locked up for the next 4 years at a very affordable QB price (about $25M a year).

I'm good with that...sure beats 2 firsts. I think with the team we have around him Ballard and Reich weren't ready to wait for a long term draft pick.

I dont love the condition. I would rather have had it been 3+2 and not turn into a 1. Seems likely that the condition will be met. Lets say we have a similar year as this year, do pretty well, make playoffs and get bounced first round. bye bye 1st round pick.

oh well, overall its not bad so lets hope that reich can get him back to mvp(ish) form

It's not a bad trade but, yeah, we'll probably lose that first rounder. I don't particularly care for Wentz, but he is probably the best we could have realistically gotten. I hope he's fixable and coachable. Reich is pretty much putting his job on the line with this.

If wentz plays well it will be worth it. If he plays well, that pick is in the 20’s.

interesting....

@spotrac
If #Eagles fans are angry now, wait until Frank Reich pulls a Doug Pederson and sits Carson Wentz every 3rd quarter to ensure the 2022 pick remains a 2nd round pick, not a first.

Well, If he's trash they can just bench him.

I don't love the first either.

Lol, now that would be fun

Look at it this way, if the trade works out, it’s a late 1st rounder anyway, most likely.

I like this move for the sole reason that I don’t think they had any other realistic options, without selling the farm to do it.

I also like how we can get out after two years if need be. If he does return to form the salaries/cap hits dont look too bad and we have a QB signed for next 4 years. should be interesting to watch!

Ballard did as well as could be expected locking up a potential top 10 QB, for a possible 4 yrs @ $25mm per.

No real downside to this trade, particularly because the potential 1st round pick isn't from this years draft. Our team should be built after this years draft.

True, I guess I am more concerned with hitting the 75% mark but ending up 8-8. A middle first rounder for that is not ideal.

go colts

Seems like a decent deal for us. If Wentz turns things around and plays well, then we're set at QB with only giving up a 3rd and 1st.

What will suck is if he doesn't turn it around and we have to give up a 2nd next year for a bust. Plus next year is even, so if Ballard follows his trend we'll be giving up a likely really good player (as opposed to his odd year 2nd rounders which have all sucked).

Ballard got fleeced !!

If spotrac is accurate we can cut him after 2021 with no dead cap.

Unless Wentz sucks, then you’re looking for a QB again next year, without a first round pick! IMO this sucks!!

I’m not sold on Wentz, but the trade itself is pretty solid. It escalates if Wentz stays healthy.

The best thing is, I don't have to read anymore about Dammy praising the greatness of Mac Jones.

This is a good gamble. Every QB available has issues, otherwise they would not be a available. We know him better than any of the other choices and he seems to really want to be here. We have control over whether Philadelphia gets a one or a two. If he is our long term solution we got a steal. If he flames out we can recover from losing a first/third (or a second/third obviously) and his cap hit isn’t going to hamstring us. On top of that Ballards evaluation of free agents (guys already in the league) has been excellent. If I had to put money on it Wentz will be a steal. Now let’s find a LT

Honestly though, what better option did they have? They weren’t getting a guy with Wentz’s ceiling at 21 and, if they did draft someone, he probably wouldn’t be ready next year anyway.

Watson, Rodgers, Prescott, that was never gonna happen. It sucks that they missed out on Stafford, but I’m glad they didn’t get him at the price the Rams did.

Who else is out there who would be any better?

I agree it’s not ideal, I just don’t think they had much of a shot at doing better.

If he sucks then we bench him and keep our 1st rounder. The bigger risk is if he's just ok and we finish ~.500 b/c then he's probably starting for the whole year and we lose mid 1st rounder.

2019 / 607 att / 388 comp / 63.9% / 4,039 yards / 27 TD / 7 INT / 6.7 YPA / 93.1 QBR
2018 / 401 att / 279 comp / 69.6% / 3,074 yards / 21 TD / 7 INT / 7.7 YPA / 102.2 QBR
2017 / 440 att / 265 comp / 60.2% / 3,296 yards / 33 TD / 7 INT / 7.5 YPA / 101.9 QBR

Had Wentz been on the block last off-season, you would all be singing Ballard's praises about how he fleeced the Iggles by getting a great young QB for only a 3rd and next year 1st round pick. Arguably a top 5 QB under the age of 30.

Granted, his 2020 campaign was pretty bad (okay, borderline horrific) and this is very much a "what have you done for me recently" type league (and fan base) but prior to 2020, he was very much in "stud" territory.

However, if Reich and Ballard believe they can get him back to the above level of play, then I have faith in them. They have not had many misses in their time with the Colts.

Holy shit, way to go Ballard. That's a great move. Now to hope Wentz is fixable, which I'm much more confident in based on this move.

As much as I think we overpaid under the circumstances, I really like the upside here. A 28-year old QB who, in the three years prior to last year (2017-2019), had a cumulative 81-21 TD/INT ratio, and who is under contract for 4 more years at a reasonable number, and with an escape hatch after two years.

The draft capital provided isn't too overwhelming (essentially equivalent to two current 3rd rounders, or a current 3rd rounder and a current 2nd rounder if the contingency is met - this is based upon the often-used concept that a draft pick next year is the equivalent of a draft pick this year, but one round later), particularly since neither of those picks is likely to be at the front end of the round.

I wonder if the price would have been lower without the Stafford trade having increased expectations. Also, it makes me wonder what we offered for Stafford, and whether it was more than this.

Yeah, but he's been praising Wentz more. In the other thread he compared Wentz to both Deshaun Watson and Peyton, lol.

I think this offense is going to open up a lot like Luck's last season. No more JB in the redzone, and I believe we will see a lot or RPO

https://sportdfw.com/2018/05/08/expl...ption-rpo-nfl/

and also some read option as well. This ....if he gets back to the 2019 player could be a very high powered offense More additions needed of course, but he wont have to force it and try to carry the team

Maybe. The Rams weren't just trading for Stafford though. They were trading for Stafford and getting bailed out of Goff's contract.

Also, I'd think we would have offered at least a 1 for Stafford.

If the condition is met, then it means he's playing well, and its a steal.
If the condition is not met, then it mean he still sucks, and it only cost a 2nd and a 3rd spread out over 2 years.

If we're nothing but an 8-8 time why would they keep playing Wentz?

If he sucks, you don't play him for 75% of the games, and you don't lose a first rounder. I can't understand why you guys all think that if he sucks we'd still let him play?

We are all retards.

Give us time to process this.

Rationality will eventually come.

Probably some lingering thoughts on us sticking with AV for so long in '19. Hopefully Reich and Ballard will have enough sense that if Wentz sucks then bench him before he hits the incentive. Not only to save a 1st rounder but to also see what Eason can do.

Eagles must really want Wentz gone to eat a $33.82 million dollar cap hit. I am all for Reich fixing this dude, just hope not a head case. Now can use the 2021 1st #21 on a LT or edge depending on UFA signings. Pretty sure Ballard, Reich and that ex green beret (Brian Decker) spent plenty of time in Wentz's brain insuring he is ready. :cool: